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Re:the US economy and the EU were the same size in 2008, the... by blibble on Monday July 17, 2023 @07:51PM (#36765792)
pretty certain it's the germans that decided to use the russian gas

meanwhile the US was pretty upset about the idea

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Re:the US economy and the EU were the same size in 2008, the... by dougmwne on Monday July 17, 2023 @08:07PM (#36765948)
It was economical to buy the Russian gas delivered by pipeline. The US wanted to sell its more expensive LNG. And it ended up getting its wish after it supported a western aligned Ukraine and while no one wants to claim responsibility for blowing up nordstream, someone definitely blew it up and it helped cement the US as the gas supplier of Europe.

I think the message is clear that it’s best not to upset the US.

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Re:the US economy and the EU were the same size in 2008, the... by blibble on Monday July 17, 2023 @08:15PM (#36766020)
> It was economical to buy the Russian gas delivered by pipeline.

see I can understand this logic pre 2014, but post 2014 (i.e. Crimea), absolutely not

the euros paid to putin were used to re-arm and those weapons are now being used in Ukraine

and if he wins then Eastern Europe is next in line

but yes germans saved 2% on their gas bills for 10 years

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Re:the US economy and the EU were the same size in 2008, the... by FpUser on Monday July 17, 2023 @09:04PM (#36766422)
>"and if he wins then Eastern Europe is next in line"

I doubt Putin is suicidal. Eastern Europe is in NATO, hence protected.

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Re:the US economy and the EU were the same size in 2008, the... by blibble on Monday July 17, 2023 @09:11PM (#36766495)
it'll never be so obvious that NATO can declare it as an attack

you've seen the playbook in ukraine twice now

there will be an russian speaking minority in estonia/lithuania/... that will that rebel against anti russian oppression, guerilla warfare against the authorities, then they'll hold an rigged referendum, then a decade later the Russian government will formally annex what they've effectively controlled for years

he won't send tanks across the border that will trigger Article 5

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Re:the US economy and the EU were the same size in 2008, the... by FpUser on Monday July 17, 2023 @10:09PM (#36766922)
>"there will be an russian speaking minority in estonia/lithuania/... that will that rebel against anti russian oppression"

Well don't oppress them. Anyways in Ukraine Russian speakers are hardly the minority. In Baltic states however Russian speakers are true minority and do not matter much. They can't hold a referendum. Your logic does not make any sense to me.

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Re:the US economy and the EU were the same size in 2008, the... by blibble on Monday July 17, 2023 @10:21PM (#36767020)
they're not oppressed, that's the point
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Re:the US economy and the EU were the same size in 2008, the... by lisasays on Monday July 17, 2023 @11:00PM (#36767288)
In Ukraine Russian speakers are hardly the minority.

What's this supposed to mean?

Certainly it's not referring to the portion of native speakers.

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Re:the US economy and the EU were the same size in 2008, the... by FpUser on Monday July 17, 2023 @11:52PM (#36767609)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_language_in_Ukraine#:~....
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Re:the US economy and the EU were the same size in 2008, the... by severino on Tuesday July 18, 2023 @03:02AM (#36768859)
> that will that rebel against anti russian oppression

So you mean it's OK to oppress people just because they are Russian, or speak Russian? And the bad guys are those against oppression?

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Re:the US economy and the EU were the same size in 2008, the... by sharikous on Tuesday July 18, 2023 @05:47AM (#36769969)
Eh but Wagner is not the Russian army, right? They are an "independent contractor" after all. And Russian speaking minorities may "suddenly" decide to rebel. And NATO may be not so eager to activate article 5 since they are not suicidal too.

Long story short I am not sure NATO Eastern Europe is protected 100%. Luckily for now Putin cannot afford another front but there is already some saber rattling between Belarus and Poland and Wagner is in Belarus.

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Re:the US economy and the EU were the same size in 2008, the... by nonethewiser on Tuesday July 18, 2023 @12:08AM (#36767694)
It was economical for Germany to partner with Russia at the expense of Ukraine.
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Re:the US economy and the EU were the same size in 2008, the... by SubjectToChange on Tuesday July 18, 2023 @03:00AM (#36768844)
Do you really believe that the USA would commit an act of war against Russia to… sell Europe natural gas?
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Re:the US economy and the EU were the same size in 2008, the... by dougmwne on Tuesday July 18, 2023 @03:58AM (#36769246)
The US supplies weapons, training, intelligence and logistics to just one side in an active war. Clearly “act of war” is a line they’ve been dancing on for awhile.

And I don’t know who did the sabotage, and I don’t know if it was on the suggestion of the US, but the winner certainly seems to be the US which has very effectively pulled Germany away from Russia and Russian energy markets.

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Re:the US economy and the EU were the same size in 2008, the... by boffinAudio on Tuesday July 18, 2023 @04:52AM (#36769630)
The US has been trying to sabotage German energy markets for a while:

https://gpil.jura.uni-bonn.de/2021/01/germany-rejects-u-s-sa...

It finally got its wish with the destruction of the NS2 ..

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