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Re:Copy is all you need by opnac on Monday July 17, 2023 @10:23AM (#36758588)
I wish we could stop with the “X is all you need” papers! The first one was unintuitive and so are the rest.
Re:Copy is all you need by hardware2win on Monday July 17, 2023 @10:42AM (#36758844)
"is all you need" is considered harmful just like "considered harmful" is considered harmful by HNers?
Re:Copy is all you need by MR4D on Monday July 17, 2023 @11:16AM (#36759278)
Given that redundancy is considered harmful, you probably want to create a ConsideredHarmful class and then a ConsideredHarmfulFactory to make for a more enterprise-ready structure.

:)

Re:Copy is all you need by hardware2win on Monday July 17, 2023 @11:43AM (#36759607)
Thats so 2015, we need to move it to ConsideredHarmful Microservice
Re:Copy is all you need by mottiden on Monday July 17, 2023 @10:31AM (#36758687)
I agree. The paper is really interesting, but the title not so much :)
Re:Copy is all you need by jillesvangurp on Monday July 17, 2023 @10:44AM (#36758863)
A bit click baity at least. And without opening it you have no chance to understand what this is about. I know HN has a policy against editorializing but in this case, a brief summary would have been helpful.
Re:Copy is all you need by mottiden on Monday July 17, 2023 @11:09AM (#36759186)
The paper introduces a new method for text generation, named Copy-Over-Generate (COG), which differs from traditional approaches that generate words from a fixed vocabulary. Instead, COG progressively copies phrases from a massive text collection, aiming to generate coherent text continuations through multiple rounds of phrase retrieval.

COG stands on the line of retrieval-augmented text generation research but takes a radical step forward. Unlike previous work that combines retrieval and generation, in COG, retrieval is generation.

COG shares some ideas with previous work such as replacing the fixed vocabulary with a nonparametric phrase table.

The paper presents experimental results showing the advantages of COG over strong baselines in three experimental settings: standard language modeling (using the WikiText-103 dataset), domain adaptation (using the Law-MT dataset), and an enlarged phrase index (using the En-Wiki dataset).

Despite the promising results, the authors acknowledge that there are some flaws in the COG method. For example, COG may copy a phrase that is incoherent with the previously copied phrase, or it may only copy a part of a complete phrase, leading to inaccurate generation results.

Re:Copy is all you need by CamperBob2 on Monday July 17, 2023 @12:11PM (#36759973)
Before long, if these NN refinements continue at their current pace, it's going to become impossible to tell synthetic HN posts from organic ones. Going to get weird.
Re:Copy is all you need by flangola7 on Monday July 17, 2023 @01:04PM (#36760819)
This is already the case with LLaMA.
Re:Copy is all you need by ot on Monday July 17, 2023 @10:51AM (#36758974)
At least in this case it's self-referential (not sure if intended)
Re:Copy is all you need by lolinder on Monday July 17, 2023 @11:11AM (#36759209)
I agree that the copycats are wearing thin, but the original paper's title seems fine to me. It's an accurate description of the breakthrough they made. The first few sentences of the Attention is All You Need abstract explain it pretty well:

> The dominant sequence transduction models are based on complex recurrent or convolutional neural networks that include an encoder and a decoder. The best performing models also connect the encoder and decoder through an attention mechanism. We propose a new simple network architecture, the Transformer, based solely on attention mechanisms, dispensing with recurrence and convolutions entirely.

https://proceedings.neurips.cc/paper/2017/file/3f5ee243547de...

Re:Copy is all you need by jsight on Monday July 17, 2023 @01:13PM (#36760968)
It took a lot of my attention to even begin to understand that, but in the end, I agree with you.
Re:Copy is all you need by macleginn on Monday July 17, 2023 @04:40PM (#36763749)
The first sentence seems to imply that the main thing they want to do away with is the encoder–decoder arch, which they actually kept. (But BERT and GPT later did manage to simplify it.)
Re:Copy is all you need by KnobbleMcKnees on Monday July 17, 2023 @11:11AM (#36759210)
But I'm so close to finishing "goto is all you need"!
Re:Copy is all you need by lotsofspots on Monday July 17, 2023 @12:08PM (#36759934)
Beat me to it, I was going to go for "X Is All You Need Papers Considered Harmful"
Re:Copy is all you need by anticensor on Thursday July 20, 2023 @10:20AM (#36800855)
And the dual of it, "X is harmful papers are all you need".
Re:Copy is all you need by nonameiguess on Monday July 17, 2023 @12:39PM (#36760413)
Didn't somebody prove the mov instruction is Turing-complete all by itself? I believe some code obfuscators actually take advantage of this.
Re:Copy is all you need by rubslopes on Monday July 17, 2023 @12:18PM (#36760056)
There's this guy in Twitter fighting against titles like that: https://twitter.com/SayWhatYouFound
Re:Copy is all you need by asalahli on Monday July 17, 2023 @12:32PM (#36760296)
Huh, did twitter stop letting unauthenticated users read tweets? I can't get past login form.
Re:Copy is all you need by lolinder on Monday July 17, 2023 @01:23PM (#36761099)
You're one of today's lucky 10k: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36540957
Re:Copy is all you need by furyofantares on Monday July 17, 2023 @12:23PM (#36760142)
I agree. X is all you need considered harmful
Re:Copy is all you need by butterisgood on Monday July 17, 2023 @12:33PM (#36760302)
X is all you need considered harmful is all you need!