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Re:Infrared may no longer be a punchline, as IEEE approves 9... by afavour on Sunday July 16, 2023 @01:36PM (#36749564)
> But then why not just use wired Ethernet?

This is a recurring question and one often answered by “people rent houses/apartments and can’t just run cables through the walls”.

I’m not all that sure what I’d use this specific technology for over Wifi but I can understand why people don’t use wired Ethernet.

Re:Infrared may no longer be a punchline, as IEEE approves 9... by mabbo on Sunday July 16, 2023 @01:45PM (#36749673)
I own my condo but have this exact issue. There are 1Mb Cat5 cables inside the cement walls and I cannot replace them if they ever break, nor upgrade them.

Already this is a problem as I have 1.5Mbit internet.

Re:Infrared may no longer be a punchline, as IEEE approves 9... by sthuck on Sunday July 16, 2023 @01:58PM (#36749799)
if you have coax cables in the walls then MoCA is a pretty good solution. (Powerline is not)

also dear god I hope it's a typo and you meant 1Gb

Re:Infrared may no longer be a punchline, as IEEE approves 9... by debaserab2 on Sunday July 16, 2023 @02:18PM (#36749983)
Is MoCA reliable? Just bought a new house and wiring Ethernet into some of the rooms will be tricky, but a previous owner already did coaxial in the whole house.
Re:Infrared may no longer be a punchline, as IEEE approves 9... by Klathmon on Sunday July 16, 2023 @02:31PM (#36750094)
Extremely reliable, but it can get expensive to have to buy a moca to Ethernet adapter at each point.

You want to stick with moca 2, and there might be some gotchas with older coax wiring, but I previously ran it for years without issue.

Re:Infrared may no longer be a punchline, as IEEE approves 9... by ryukafalz on Sunday July 16, 2023 @04:43PM (#36751220)
I think I'm running into some of those gotchas with older wiring. I've got moca adapters set up between a few rooms and have periodic dropouts on one of them, which unfortunately is the room with my wifi AP.

Traced the cables and the only splitter I can find is a moca 2 aware one, and the coax cable that would have been used for cable internet is unplugged so that's not interfering.

Nice when it works, real pain to troubleshoot when it doesn't.

Re:Infrared may no longer be a punchline, as IEEE approves 9... by cj on Sunday July 16, 2023 @09:55PM (#36753231)
2 things that solved my problems with moca was buying a moca adapter to filter the signal out from leaving/entering the house (adapter on the primary incoming coax) and then another adapter on the coax plugging into your cable modem.

This fixed some (probably modem specific) problems where internet would randomly drop in the presence of moca.

Re:Infrared may no longer be a punchline, as IEEE approves 9... by ryukafalz on Monday July 17, 2023 @04:29AM (#36755545)
Right, I'm on FiOS so there's no cable modem, and as best I can tell the primary incoming coax line is disconnected.
Re:Infrared may no longer be a punchline, as IEEE approves 9... by rayiner on Sunday July 16, 2023 @01:51PM (#36749727)
What is one meg cat5? Isn’t cat5 rated to one gig?
Re:Infrared may no longer be a punchline, as IEEE approves 9... by ElectricalUnion on Sunday July 16, 2023 @04:17PM (#36751015)
CAT5 is in theory only rated for Fast Ethernet (100M) while CAT5e is rated for Gigabit Ethernet. In practice is very hard to actually find a cable that meets only CAT5 and not CAT5e.
Re:Infrared may no longer be a punchline, as IEEE approves 9... by nullc on Sunday July 16, 2023 @02:49PM (#36750235)
There is no such beast as 1Mb cat5. Do you mean 1gb? Assuming the cables are in conduit you may be able to use the existing cables to pull new cables. This usually works.
Re:Infrared may no longer be a punchline, as IEEE approves 9... by mabbo on Sunday July 16, 2023 @02:53PM (#36750273)
Thank you, I had a brain fart and meant Gbit.
Re:Infrared may no longer be a punchline, as IEEE approves 9... by ericbarrett on Sunday July 16, 2023 @06:48PM (#36752190)
> There are 1Gb Cat5 cables inside the cement walls

I believe you when you say you can't replace them, but I'm curious why? Every wire I've ever seen run through concrete was in a conduit that could have replacements pulled through it. Did they just run the wires and pour over them?

Re:Infrared may no longer be a punchline, as IEEE approves 9... by sclarisse on Sunday July 16, 2023 @07:37PM (#36752499)
If you need speed and money is of limited concern, consider fiber. There are some nearly invisible configurations that stick onto the walls, and baseboards or crown molding can be a channel as well. It’s possible you could sneak it under a door, or through a small gap in the frame behind the trim. You might even be able to smuggle it through electrical conduit for short distances, since it’s non conductive (but don’t trust me on the safety or compliance issues of that, I wouldn’t trust myself, though I’ve seen zanier from the previous homeowners here...)

The obvious downside being the extra expense of media conversion.

Re:Infrared may no longer be a punchline, as IEEE approves 9... by Dylan16807 on Sunday July 16, 2023 @08:28PM (#36752792)
At condo distances you should be able to do 10Gbps over cat5.

2.5Gbps isn't even going out of spec for cat5 and should go the full 100 meters.

Re:Infrared may no longer be a punchline, as IEEE approves 9... by buildbot on Sunday July 16, 2023 @11:48PM (#36753818)
Not always, one link in my condo can only seem to do 5Gbps, 10 will drop the link. Despite several re-crimpings of the connector
Re:Infrared may no longer be a punchline, as IEEE approves 9... by wkat4242 on Monday July 17, 2023 @08:11PM (#36765982)
Could be that it's snagged somewhere, flattening the twisted pairs?
Re:Infrared may no longer be a punchline, as IEEE approves 9... by buildbot on Tuesday July 18, 2023 @12:46AM (#36767898)
Oh no, maybe, but I would have no way to fix it. The run is literally from one side of the condo to the other, probably through the ceiling or floor. Or it's wired wrong, (and I lost my LED blinker somewhere :( ) because it's like 5Gb/s down and 1Gb/s up. Which is odd...
Re:Infrared may no longer be a punchline, as IEEE approves 9... by withinboredom on Monday July 17, 2023 @01:07AM (#36754376)
With no interference, wifi 2.5ghz can go several km at 100mbits.
Re:Infrared may no longer be a punchline, as IEEE approves 9... by Nullabillity on Sunday July 16, 2023 @07:05PM (#36752324)
How do you plan to provide line of sight through those same walls?
Re:Infrared may no longer be a punchline, as IEEE approves 9... by hulitu on Monday July 17, 2023 @03:37AM (#36755215)
A power drill can do wonders. /s

When everything else fails, ask an RF engineer. Metal is for RF like glass for light.

Re:Infrared may no longer be a punchline, as IEEE approves 9... by Cloudef on Sunday July 16, 2023 @07:13PM (#36752363)
I have apt with only 1 ethernet plug, but coax run to every room, so i used moca adapter to have wired internet everywhere, works great
Re:Infrared may no longer be a punchline, as IEEE approves 9... by cj on Sunday July 16, 2023 @09:52PM (#36753219)
Same, realizing it's possible to convert coax cable outlets into ethernet is a game changer.