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Re:On Personal Relations as a Manager by P_I_Staker on Friday July 14, 2023 @09:05AM (#36723403)
So you think if someone doesn't improve with a PIP, they should fire the manager. That's quite an idea, and I don't know how else to interpret:

> These managers should be the first to go in a layoff or a PIP

I'm not sure what to do with a truly unqualified employee, but implying a manager should be fired if, eg. an employee refuses to work, seems a little much.

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Re:On Personal Relations as a Manager by nine_zeros on Friday July 14, 2023 @10:12AM (#36724293)
> So you think if someone doesn't improve with a PIP, they should fire the manager.

A PIP should be used only for project failures in the first place, not for people failures. And, a manager should be responsible for allocating the right amount of resources and tools to get a project done. They should not be able to abscond from this responsibility by Pipping ICs.

If a truly unqualified employee doesn't work, they can just fire them.

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