On Personal Relations as a Manager

Re:On Personal Relations as a Manager by nine_zeros on Friday July 14, 2023 @12:57AM (#36719633)

People like you keep the industry alive. Middle/upper management is so distant from the trenches that they really don't understand how their decisions may affect something. Honestly, they don't even care because their stocks will continue to vest.

I really hope that the execs realize that they need to make VPs and directors more responsible for their reports. Not just accountable. These managers should be the first to go in a layoff or a PIP. Only then will this industry change.

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Re:On Personal Relations as a Manager by P_I_Staker on Friday July 14, 2023 @09:05AM (#36723403)

So you think if someone doesn't improve with a PIP, they should fire the manager. That's quite an idea, and I don't know how else to interpret:

> These managers should be the first to go in a layoff or a PIP

I'm not sure what to do with a truly unqualified employee, but implying a manager should be fired if, eg. an employee refuses to work, seems a little much.

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Re:On Personal Relations as a Manager by nine_zeros on Friday July 14, 2023 @10:12AM (#36724293)

> So you think if someone doesn't improve with a PIP, they should fire the manager.

A PIP should be used only for project failures in the first place, not for people failures. And, a manager should be responsible for allocating the right amount of resources and tools to get a project done. They should not be able to abscond from this responsibility by Pipping ICs.

If a truly unqualified employee doesn't work, they can just fire them.

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