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Re:VanMoof encryption key exporter by skerit on Friday July 14, 2023 @03:57AM (#36720716)
> They made expensive e-bikes with theft recovery features

My husband's VanMoof bike got stolen in Ghent, they couldn't do shit about it.

Re:VanMoof encryption key exporter by moooo99 on Friday July 14, 2023 @04:26AM (#36720964)
As far as I know the theft recovery is part of an additional package and not included with a regular purchase.

Certainly fun, but I think there are cheaper theft insurance policies out there.

Re:VanMoof encryption key exporter by tinus_hn on Friday July 14, 2023 @05:14AM (#36721393)
Recovering the bike and thus not promoting theft is also a value.
Re:VanMoof encryption key exporter by michaelt on Friday July 14, 2023 @05:57AM (#36721765)
Maybe, maybe not.

I mean, even if a stolen bike has a working tracker and you're able to trace it to a particular house, do VanMoof's recovery team have the legal authority to bust the door down to reclaim it?

Re:VanMoof encryption key exporter by Arnt on Friday July 14, 2023 @06:24AM (#36721933)
Generally not. According to a newspaper that followed one of the trackers for a day, the tracker offered a choice: "Give me the bike now right now or I call the police, who will see my data, believe me and do have the authority, and I'll meet you at the door if you try to move the bike."
Re:VanMoof encryption key exporter by moogly on Friday July 14, 2023 @01:24PM (#36727042)
But would the police show up for a measly bike theft? Where I live, they probably would not, even if you caught them red-handed.
Re:VanMoof encryption key exporter by moooo99 on Friday July 14, 2023 @05:39PM (#36730293)
Maybe they would for a bike that costs more than 2k?
Re:VanMoof encryption key exporter by tinus_hn on Friday July 14, 2023 @07:17AM (#36722278)
If you consistently locate stolen bikes, you might have a bigger chance of the police backing you up.
Re:VanMoof encryption key exporter by Arnt on Friday July 14, 2023 @09:48AM (#36724000)
The security guard companies have some sort of arrangement with the police; I've heard that they can call police and have someone show up in a hurry. Why wouldn't Van Moof have the same sort of arrangement in the countries where Van Hoof operates most (well, operated most)?
Re:VanMoof encryption key exporter by hiatus on Friday July 14, 2023 @10:02AM (#36724176)
Likely because police will not offer a hotline to dispatch them to a bike theft.
Re:VanMoof encryption key exporter by mvanbaak on Friday July 14, 2023 @04:48AM (#36721157)
Mine got stolen in Amsterdam, they couldn't find it, in 2 weeks I got a new one.
Re:VanMoof encryption key exporter by Gasp0de on Friday July 14, 2023 @05:19AM (#36721437)
Well in that case he did get a new one, didn't he?
Re:VanMoof encryption key exporter by Arnt on Friday July 14, 2023 @06:14AM (#36721865)
If and only if he had the trace-or-replace add-on (which I've heard can't be retrofitted, it has to be put in place early when the bike is built).