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Re:Bard’s latest update: more features, languages and countries by ipaddr on Thursday July 13, 2023 @11:30AM (#36710782)
Everything google offers is in beta and remains that way for a very longtime. Expect bugs but not regression of core product offerings.
Re:Bard’s latest update: more features, languages and countries by throwawayadvsec on Thursday July 13, 2023 @11:44AM (#36711073)
pretty sure youtube/adsense/adwords/google/android/chrome aren't in beta

everything else at Google is pretty much an internal startup and insignificant on their numbers

Re:Bard’s latest update: more features, languages and countries by hbn on Thursday July 13, 2023 @11:56AM (#36711310)
Android is basically the best example of Google's perpetual beta problem. They're constantly adding features and then silently dropping them a few years later because they were forgotten about and no one wanted to maintain them.

They constantly deprecate apps and replace them with worse ones, they redesign the notification shade every other update, they'll say they're committing to tablets every few years but apps having tablet-optimized modes lasts until the app is redesigned in a couple years and they stopped caring about tablets by that point.

Google treats its users like beta testers, but instead of getting paid you pay them with your data and/or money. I went through the wringer enough times that I finally bought an iPhone and have no desire to go back. Was I shocked that last time I turned on my Pixel 3 and updated it, the notification shade, messaging app, Play Store, settings app, and nearly everything else was completely redesigned? No, not at all.

Re:Bard’s latest update: more features, languages and countries by rurp on Thursday July 13, 2023 @06:12PM (#36716838)
I couldn't agree more, Android updates are extremely painful.

Which basic functionality got broken, hidden, degraded, or removed this time?

What new features that I don't want are now in my face?

Which elements got redesigned for no reason, and will be redesigned again next update?

I would pay good money for an option to get long term security updates with zero other changes.

Re:Bard’s latest update: more features, languages and countries by milesward on Thursday July 13, 2023 @01:21PM (#36712753)
Nope, GCP is now bigger than youtube.
Re:Bard’s latest update: more features, languages and countries by throwawayadvsec on Thursday July 13, 2023 @01:35PM (#36712973)
yeah I did forget GCP
Re:Bard’s latest update: more features, languages and countries by yjftsjthsd-h on Thursday July 13, 2023 @11:52AM (#36711230)
> Expect bugs but not regression of core product offerings.

Google's web search has gotten worse over the years. Unless of course we want to say that their only truly core product is ads, in which case I'm skeptical but willing to concede that you may be right.

Re:Bard’s latest update: more features, languages and countries by minsc_and_boo on Thursday July 13, 2023 @12:42PM (#36712105)
I'd argue the internet has gotten worse over the years too.

Search results are only as good as the links to content that others make.

Re:Bard’s latest update: more features, languages and countries by Workaccount2 on Thursday July 13, 2023 @12:39PM (#36712053)
Assistant has somehow gotten worse too. I'd take 2018 assistant over the current one.
Re:Bard’s latest update: more features, languages and countries by munificent on Thursday July 13, 2023 @12:42PM (#36712107)
> Google's web search has gotten worse over the years.

People keep pointing that out, but few want to acknowledge that the web has gotten worse over the years.

When was the last time you stumbled onto a web page written by a caring human author to accurately explain some part of the world just because they're into it? Those kinds of pages used to be all over the web. If you did a search for some random topic, you'd find, essentially, a non-commercial fansite for that exact topic.

But these days, much of the web is commercialized, fewer users know how to write HTML, and people who want to share content typically do so behind walled gardens like Facebook.

Blaming Google's web search for getting worse is like blaming your tour guide when you have a shitty hike because the forest burned down.

Re:Bard’s latest update: more features, languages and countries by asddubs on Thursday July 13, 2023 @03:15PM (#36714569)
That's part of it, but these sites are still out there. The SEO game has also just gotten more aggressive, and they now have to compete with quora pages you can't actually read once you click on them and blogspam
Re:Bard’s latest update: more features, languages and countries by slowmovintarget on Thursday July 13, 2023 @05:20PM (#36716145)
Google's web search got worse and the internet got worse trying to stay atop it's pay-to-play adjustments.

Google's web search is less useful today because it puts fingers on the scale of the algorithm, not because the web is worse.

Re:Bard’s latest update: more features, languages and countries by anon84873628 on Thursday July 13, 2023 @09:40PM (#36718430)
For me, and I imagine many people in the world, Google Search has gotten more useful in recent years. The information I'm looking for is presented in the first screen, or just a few clicks away.

Finding a particular website about a topic isn't the main use case; it's to find a snippet of information, like who played some character on a TV show or whatever.

Publishers certainly don't like it, but it works well for users.