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Re:Show HN: Workout.lol – a web app to easily create a worko... by Brendinooo on Monday July 10, 2023 @06:47AM (#36664486)
Not sure exactly what you’re arguing here but I think I disagree quite a bit.

I’ve been lifting for about six months, and I think this is the longest stretch I’ve been able to go without getting bored with it, because I’m at a gym this time and have access to a ton of equipment.

Variety can really make a difference, and some will say it’s good for your muscles anyways to do different exercises that are targeting the same muscle groups.

And the point of apps like this is that it makes it easy to say “today is push day, push is chest and triceps, show me chest and triceps exercises.” What’s wrong with a novice saying that?

Re:Show HN: Workout.lol – a web app to easily create a worko... by matwood on Monday July 10, 2023 @07:13AM (#36664727)
> without getting bored with it

You're not going to like this, but lifting is about finding joy in the grind (like a lot of life). Gains are often incremental, but add up over time. For me, lifting is my alone time to listen to music and think. The lifting part is automatic.

Re:Show HN: Workout.lol – a web app to easily create a worko... by Brendinooo on Monday July 10, 2023 @07:33AM (#36664915)
I’ve clocked 4300 miles on my running app since 2011, after growing up hating running, so I’m aware of the grind. But there are different ways to run and some are more enjoyable to different people. I have to believe this is true in the lifting world as well.
Re:Show HN: Workout.lol – a web app to easily create a worko... by matwood on Monday July 10, 2023 @08:21AM (#36665296)
Of course find what works for you, but 4300 miles even in your ideal setting ends up being discipline based over motivation. By that point you're running because you're supposed to run, not necessarily because you want to run. That's what I mean about lifting.

There's only so much novelty in a squat, so you have to find something beyond that. For me it was powerlifting, for others it's getting bigger, and others it's getting better in their sport.

Also, I deal with people and complex problems all day long. The gym is my retreat. I speak to no one and focus on the relatively simple task of picking up a weight.

Re:Show HN: Workout.lol – a web app to easily create a worko... by hultner on Monday July 10, 2023 @11:30AM (#36667875)
Not sure I agree. At a point in my youth I ran 3000 miles in a year based on motivation (college competition, I was really motivated to keep the number one spot in the leaderboard).
Re:Show HN: Workout.lol – a web app to easily create a worko... by davedx on Monday July 10, 2023 @07:56AM (#36665088)
Gatekeeping weight lifting? Come on. Let people work out the way that works for them.
Re:Show HN: Workout.lol – a web app to easily create a worko... by matwood on Monday July 10, 2023 @08:13AM (#36665231)
I don't think of it as gate keeping at all. I'm being honest that anything you do for a long period of time becomes about discipline and not motivation. People say things to me like 'you must really like working out!' I don't think about it in a like not like way. It's just something I know is good for me and I do it.

And the reason I mentioned accepting the grind is because exercise is a life long activity. There is only so much novelty, so the faster someone finds the discipline to do it beyond novelty motivation, the better.

Re:Show HN: Workout.lol – a web app to easily create a worko... by blitzar on Monday July 10, 2023 @07:06AM (#36664672)
I have found it essential to have a plan on the day. No thinking or deciding, just look at the piece of paper and it says do X 3x10 times, and you do it. Then look at the next thing to do.

Do the thinking every 4-6 weeks as you rotate the plan - but also repetition lets you track some progress (reps / weight / how hard set was).

Re:Show HN: Workout.lol – a web app to easily create a worko... by anakaine on Monday July 10, 2023 @07:52AM (#36665050)
This is so incredibly important. As a beginner you can basically hit anything often enough and see progress. Once you hit intermediate and the gains slow down you really do need to walk in with a plan. The plan let's you not think and just work. Just working and not thinking, and basically just being told what to do (even if it is just telling yourself) let's you get through the workout repeatably, and with experiencing less of the grind. It also means you hit the body parts with incremental progressive overload in a planned and repeatable fashion, causing growth. And every 6-10 weeks you get the fun of changing it up.

And then there's the days where stuff doesn't quite work, but you have turned up anyhow. Those are days I chalk up to fun.

Re:Show HN: Workout.lol – a web app to easily create a worko... by Brendinooo on Monday July 10, 2023 @07:53AM (#36665059)
I've been using the Strong app to save workout templates (in a broad push/pull/leg framework) so I have a list of stuff to do each time, but if I'm bored with an exercise or (more typically) someone's been using the rack for 30 minutes and I need to move on, that's when I'll look for an alternative exercise. Apps like Strong or Fitbod or this new site are great in this scenario - can filter by what you have and will show you how to do it.
Re:Show HN: Workout.lol – a web app to easily create a worko... by maerF0x0 on Monday July 10, 2023 @11:52AM (#36668182)
Variety can make the difference in motivation. If that's what you lack, then so be it.

But it's detrimental to a progressive/scienctific-like approach to lifting.

We want to know that over time we're getting progressive overload. That means you need consistency to watch that 1) The weight goes up for the same reps, or 2) the reps go up for the same weight (or 3, both). Unfortunately exercises are not direct replacements for each other meaning you cannot simply do the same for a variety of (eg:) bicep curls.

Once someone gets past what linear progression can achieve (see Strong lifts 5x5 app for example) then we start to do periodization or other plateau breaking patterns.

Re:Show HN: Workout.lol – a web app to easily create a worko... by bjornasm on Monday July 10, 2023 @12:12PM (#36668421)
>But it's detrimental to a progressive/scienctific-like approach to lifting.

Uh, sources for that? As I powerlifter I have lifted with world class lifter who have a huge variations in their exercises. Bands,chains, boxes, pause/no pause, grip width, stance width.

Re:Show HN: Workout.lol – a web app to easily create a worko... by maerF0x0 on Monday July 10, 2023 @07:04PM (#36674219)
Yes, of course a single exceptional exception makes it true.

The reason that works for a world class athelete is because they're extremely careful and persistent to periodize and have progressive overload.

Unless the commenter is an equivalent exception, it's bad advice to follow that, or any other, kind of advice from exceptional genetic folks.

It's very difficult to select the correct weight for an exercise when you're constantly changing it up.

What you're describing are simple modifications as a form of progression. Adding a band to a barbell bench press is still a barbell bench press. But going from barbell bench press, to weighted push up, to (incline|decline|flat) dumbbell bench, to iso lateral hammer machine, to smith, to (low, mid high) (cable, bench) flyes, to dips, to ... Is detrimental.

Most folks should try 12 weeks of the exact same exercise per body part with a RIR3, RIR2, RIR1, RIR0 cycle. (increasing weight each week and from cycle to cycle) . And most folks can do a reasonable selection of exercises for a year or two before they need to tweak for imbalance or personal details like insertions, or weaknesses.

Re:Show HN: Workout.lol – a web app to easily create a worko... by lukas099 on Monday July 10, 2023 @12:14PM (#36668464)
Post proof that exercise variety is detrimental to achieving lifting goals. I'll concede that if you are competing in a strength sport, it is best to focus on the movements in that sport.
Re:Show HN: Workout.lol – a web app to easily create a worko... by procinct on Monday July 10, 2023 @04:13PM (#36672296)
They’re likely just meaning it makes it harder to progressive overload. If you stick to a programme, you know it’s just about modifying weight, reps, rest, time under tension etc. But if you are changing exercises constantly, it can be difficult to know what weight or rep range will get the right results from that exercise since it’s not really comparable to another exercise.
Re:Show HN: Workout.lol – a web app to easily create a worko... by lukas099 on Monday July 10, 2023 @06:48PM (#36674057)
It might be harder to track your progress, but progress will be made nevertheless.
Re:Show HN: Workout.lol – a web app to easily create a worko... by maerF0x0 on Monday July 10, 2023 @07:06PM (#36674230)
Progress will _only_ be made with sufficient stimulus, and your body will rapidly adapt so the stimulus is not sufficient -- unless you do progressive overload (and ideally occasional deloads too)
Re:Show HN: Workout.lol – a web app to easily create a worko... by lukas099 on Wednesday July 12, 2023 @08:18PM (#36703477)
You will progressively overload without tracking or thinking about it if you maintain a constant rate of perceived exertion.
Re:Show HN: Workout.lol – a web app to easily create a worko... by Brendinooo on Monday July 10, 2023 @02:57PM (#36671275)
I'm stronger than I was six months ago. Seems like a good thing. If that stops being true, I can adjust later.

Variety has also helped me do weightlifting without injuring myself. I hurt my back pretty badly doing back squats, probably because I was leaning forward too far, probably because I was overcompensating due to quad dominance. Because of an app like this website I was able to discover and try different squat variants that are helping me fill out the core and glute muscles I was lacking. Again, seems like a good thing.

Re:Show HN: Workout.lol – a web app to easily create a worko... by goostavos on Monday July 10, 2023 @01:49PM (#36670154)
>What’s wrong with a novice saying that?

Only real risk is people getting confused or frustrated as to why they're not making any progress. "Doing a bunch of stuff" is very different from training.

Progressive overload is the thing that needs drilled into the newbie's head. None of this is complicated, but doing a bunch of random stuff every time you enter the gym is a really good way to feel like your doing something all while accomplishing very little.

I've been lifting for almost a decade at this point. My philosophy on it boils down to: it's grueling, so... if you're going to do it, you should get the most bang for your buck. That said, changing up the routine in a structured manner is definitely a good idea very once and awhile (if only to deload for a bit).