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Re:Wayland on OpenBSD by kaba0 on Monday July 10, 2023 @04:39AM (#36663587)
Yeah, please repeat the same bullshit for the umpteenth time. This happens under every goddamn wayland-related thread from people who have never ever touched anything graphics related with this typical cocky attitude - at this point this is just fake news.

So if X is so great, why exactly have the very developers who worked on it all switched to Wayland? Like, if they could made something you believe is good, shouldn’t you trust their expertise in this also?

> security model which you must actively break to get actual work

That’s literally how security models should work: you put tiny holes into a solid block. You can’t plug a swiss cheese’s holes after the fact.

> That Wayland is 10 years old and still barely usable

What exactly is your thought process here, what kind of process could change such an inherent protocol in a bazaar style ecosystem faster? It’s not apple who can just say “we are using this protocol from next year. If you wanna work, port your software”. Even if something is so much more superior than the status quo, it would need a huge amount of time to spread. Also the first 5 years of Wayland was very different from the last 5 - and it has definitely reached critical mass in the latter 5. A year now may easily introduce more progress than 5 at the beginning, from the cumulative effect of more contributors, more testers, etc.

And that barely usable part is pure bullshit again — how else would it be the default protocol for plenty distros already?

Re:Wayland on OpenBSD by j16sdiz on Monday July 10, 2023 @05:43AM (#36664013)
> So if X is so great, why exactly have the very developers who worked on it all switched to Wayland?

Because some developers love greenfield projects. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36642796

> And that barely usable part is pure bullshit again — how else would it be the default protocol for plenty distros already?

A default that broke half of the programs I use. Thank you.

To be fair, lots of progress in the past two years. It went from 90% broken to 50% broken..

Re:Wayland on OpenBSD by kaba0 on Monday July 10, 2023 @06:00AM (#36664126)
Surely noone would like to develop something even if its greenfield if they don’t see it promising.

Believe me, they would have been more then happy to pop into existence a 100% backwards compatible change, but that is impossible.

Re:Wayland on OpenBSD by Vilian on Monday July 10, 2023 @06:33AM (#36664367)
in the comment session of that HW post there was a lot of people saying that they hate to create projects and prefer to maintaing code, if even the mainteiners don't want to work on it, just proves how complex it was
Re:Wayland on OpenBSD by Fnoord on Monday July 10, 2023 @10:42AM (#36667184)
Half the programs you use? Are you OK with all of these programs having access to each other? Would using XWayland not solve the issue? The main issue I have with X programs in Wayland is that I use 4k and the scaling is off. But its still usable.
Re:Wayland on OpenBSD by pravus on Monday July 10, 2023 @06:14AM (#36664218)
> Yeah, please repeat the same bullshit for the umpteenth time.

I'm currently streaming X11 over my LAN which is something I can't do with Wayland. Give me a fucking solution instead of telling me I'm doing it wrong.

Yes, I'm tired of seeing all this bullshit, too. I'll switch immediately when Wayland gives me want I need to make me productive. Until then, I'm absolutely sick of this cocky attitude.

Re:Wayland on OpenBSD by misterio7 on Monday July 10, 2023 @06:30AM (#36664335)
Yes you can lol. I'm literally using WayVNC right now to work on my laptop from my desktop seamlessly
Re:Wayland on OpenBSD by 1MachineElf on Monday July 10, 2023 @01:01PM (#36669235)
WayVNC is in not a real replacement for X11 application forwarding.

Waypipe is the solution.

Compare: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/eses/red_hat_enterpr....

With: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/eses/red_hat_enterpr...

Re:Wayland on OpenBSD by omeid2 on Monday July 10, 2023 @06:24AM (#36664292)
RDP.
Re:Wayland on OpenBSD by 1MachineElf on Monday July 10, 2023 @01:02PM (#36669240)
RDP is in no way a replacement for X11 application forwarding.

Waypipe is the solution.

Compare: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/eses/red_hat_enterpr....

With: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/eses/red_hat_enterpr...

Re:Wayland on OpenBSD by anthk on Monday July 10, 2023 @06:27AM (#36664316)
x2go/freenx, must better than plain X11.
Re:Wayland on OpenBSD by jraph on Monday July 10, 2023 @07:10AM (#36664702)
> I can't do with Wayland. Give me a fucking solution

You can. It'll use XWayland. I'm assuming you are speaking about ssh -X or its friends. It's transparent for you, you don't have to configure anything for this. Yes, it's still using X for this use case, but I don't see how it is a Wayland issue. The protocol that talks with your hardware / local graphic stack does not have to be the same as the one talking on the network. The problematic thing is that it has X11 limitations like not changing the DPI of the window when moving it across screens, but that's also true on a X11 session.

I'm still using X11 but I'm close to switching to Wayland, KDE on Wayland has improved a lot recently.

Re:Wayland on OpenBSD by yxhuvud on Monday July 10, 2023 @08:20AM (#36665289)
Eh, that has been possible for a while.

See https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mstoeckl/waypipe

Re:Wayland on OpenBSD by dang on Tuesday July 11, 2023 @02:40PM (#36685417)
Please don't post in the flamewar style to HN. We've had to ask you this before. Instead, if you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules, including:

"Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead." (a.k.a. please don't feed the trolls)

...we'd appreciate it.