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Re:Charter schools, social norming and zero-sum games by HDThoreaun on Friday July 07, 2023 @11:28AM (#36633194)
I'm sure my district is worse than yours, but here the public schools are a waste of taxpayer resources. They are corrupt, with more than a handful of superintendents being arrested for sweetheart contracts. They have extreme administrative bloat. They spend more per student than almost any other district in the world. And the outcomes are absolutely garbage. 25% of high schoolers are now in charters here, and honestly it's not for any reason other than the utter incompetence of the public school district. Why should we be giving more money to the system that parents have roundly rejected? At this point I'm forced to see the public schools as a waste of taxpayer resources that reduce funding for the more successful charter schools. We need competition to make schools better. The district was resting on its laurels since they were just counting on poor students showing up no matter how shitty the product was. The public can't accept that.
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Re:Charter schools, social norming and zero-sum games by katbyte on Friday July 07, 2023 @03:03PM (#36636812)
The solution is to fix public schools not fund charter schools. That’s a failing of the Goverment more then anything else.
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Re:Charter schools, social norming and zero-sum games by achates on Friday July 07, 2023 @03:38PM (#36637245)
Politicians have been claiming they're going to fix public schools for my entire adult life and haven't made an inch of progress in that time. We need to abandon the delusion that there's one weird trick (that doctors hate) to fix public schools and instead move to a different system.
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Re:Charter schools, social norming and zero-sum games by katbyte on Friday July 07, 2023 @08:24PM (#36640020)
if you think privatizing the school system is going to fix it, i suggest you look at other instances of privatization (prisons for instance, or utilities in many states and provincies) and see how that went.
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Re:Charter schools, social norming and zero-sum games by HDThoreaun on Saturday July 08, 2023 @01:50AM (#36641694)
Competition works. Your examples are government granted monopolies which are obviously terrible
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Re:Charter schools, social norming and zero-sum games by katbyte on Sunday July 09, 2023 @02:08AM (#36652019)
Just means the rich kids get a much better education then the poor ones which is a country failing at education.

Not to mention in time you’ll just get charter school mega corps that don’t have too compete.

private prisons are not Goverment granted monopolies and that has gone horribly wrong.

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Re:Charter schools, social norming and zero-sum games by dragonwriter on Friday July 07, 2023 @03:20PM (#36637006)
> The solution is to fix public schools not fund charter schools.

Charter schools are a mechanism for opt-in flexibility within the public school system to enable identification of generalizable improvements; if there isn’t systematic evaluation and feedback into the broader system, that’s definitely an issue, but (unlike vouchers, which are low-accountability subsidies to nonpublic schools), that’s what charters are for.

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Re:Charter schools, social norming and zero-sum games by katbyte on Friday July 07, 2023 @08:21PM (#36639995)
I don't think schools should be privately run, it often brings a profit motive to schools and that bring with it all sorts of negative outcomes and corruption. You can see how poorly that goes with private prisons and american healthcare outcomes.

it also increases the divide between rich and poor (https://www.seattletimes.com/education-lab/do-charter-school...) all while taking resources away from the public system setting it up to fail more while also removing all incentives for politicians to fix it (their kids go to the private schools)

here is a video going into charter schools and showing a number of rather negative outcomes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_htSPGAY7I

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Re:Charter schools, social norming and zero-sum games by HDThoreaun on Saturday July 08, 2023 @01:49AM (#36641691)
Easier said than done. Most elections for the past 20 years have revolves around the schools and they’ve only gotten worse. I honestly see no way to solve the public schools other than having all the students leave and forcing them to reconsider everything they do
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Re:Charter schools, social norming and zero-sum games by katbyte on Sunday July 09, 2023 @02:09AM (#36652024)
You fire all the admin and start from scratch with the teachers and kids.

Teachers want to teach and do a good jobs generally but are prevented from doing so by admin/policies that set them up to fail

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Re:Charter schools, social norming and zero-sum games by HDThoreaun on Sunday July 09, 2023 @10:58AM (#36654982)
I would be in favor of this but I think the politics is too complicated for it to actually happen. Charters have already shown practical success
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Re:Charter schools, social norming and zero-sum games by katbyte on Sunday July 09, 2023 @10:01PM (#36661151)
charters in many cases have also been absolute disasters: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_htSPGAY7I
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Re:Charter schools, social norming and zero-sum games by sixothree on Friday July 07, 2023 @04:02PM (#36637571)
What makes you think charter schools are less corrupt other than their lack of accountability?
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Re:Charter schools, social norming and zero-sum games by HDThoreaun on Saturday July 08, 2023 @01:47AM (#36641684)
I don’t. I think if schools are going to be corrupt we might as well have them compete.
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Re:Charter schools, social norming and zero-sum games by sixothree on Saturday July 08, 2023 @11:03AM (#36645070)
Then why did you make it part of your argument?
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Re:Charter schools, social norming and zero-sum games by HDThoreaun on Saturday July 08, 2023 @02:14PM (#36647134)
Because the public schools being corrupt is a necessary part of “if the schools are corrupt they might as well compete”. The common argument against charters is corruption, but if the public schools are too then that doesn’t really matter to me.
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