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Re:Bluesky partners with Namecheap to power domains as usern... by afavour on Thursday July 06, 2023 @11:22PM (#36626686)
Looks great. But maybe the effort should be going towards scaling up so they can remove the invite only requirement, Threads is going to actively eat Bluesky’s lunch while it remains.
Re:Bluesky partners with Namecheap to power domains as usern... by jquery on Thursday July 06, 2023 @11:41PM (#36626818)
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Re:Bluesky partners with Namecheap to power domains as usern... by rhaway84773 on Friday July 07, 2023 @12:20AM (#36627061)
https://www.threads.net/t/CuW3CzRtm9z/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA...

> The real test is not if we can build up a lot of hype, but if you all find enough value in the app to keep using it over time. And there are tons of basics that are missing: search, hashtags, a following feed, graph syncing, fedeverse support, messaging maybe…

Re:Bluesky partners with Namecheap to power domains as usern... by Sakos on Friday July 07, 2023 @01:02AM (#36627380)
Wait, what does Threads show you if it doesn't have a following feed? Also, how the hell do you launch a Twitter competitor without search and tags?
Re:Bluesky partners with Namecheap to power domains as usern... by jquery on Friday July 07, 2023 @08:13AM (#36630520)
>Wait, what does Threads show you if it doesn't have a following feed?

its like tiktok and twitter had a baby. it shows you content it thinks you will like based on how you use the app. i think? it's good at surfacing what i want to see based on my initial follows

Re:Bluesky partners with Namecheap to power domains as usern... by xwdv on Thursday July 06, 2023 @11:47PM (#36626850)
The lunch is ate.
Re:Bluesky partners with Namecheap to power domains as usern... by afavour on Thursday July 06, 2023 @11:53PM (#36626885)
IMO the jury is still out. Twitter was always more than just a UI format, Twitter-shaped text posts with my Instagram friends doesn’t scratch the same itch.
Re:Bluesky partners with Namecheap to power domains as usern... by threeseed on Friday July 07, 2023 @12:10AM (#36626990)
Threads had 48m users in a day which already includes the most popular influencers, journalists etc.

There just isn't enough room in this market for contributors to post on this many text-based apps. And so consolidation will happen.

1) Threads will dominate. Mastodon will be like remora fish.

2) Twitter will be the home for "freedom of speech", Crypto bros, OnlyFans girls.

3) Truth Social, Gab, Post, Blueksy, Spoutible etc will die.

Re:Bluesky partners with Namecheap to power domains as usern... by housemusicfan on Friday July 07, 2023 @12:40AM (#36627222)
> Threads had 48m users in a day

Threads had 48m users just like that U2 album[1] sold 500m copies on iTunes.

[1] https://www.eonline.com/news/1071481/remember-when-apple-for...

Re:Bluesky partners with Namecheap to power domains as usern... by batiudrami on Friday July 07, 2023 @12:53AM (#36627312)
To sign up you need to choose to download the app and click sign up (it isn’t automatic from using your Instagram) so while integrating it with Insta gives it an easy leg up I don’t really see your comparison.
Re:Bluesky partners with Namecheap to power domains as usern... by afavour on Friday July 07, 2023 @12:16AM (#36627026)
> Threads had 48m users in a day

Let’s see how many stick around. Don’t get me wrong, I suspect you’re right. But given the promotion and ease of login I’m not at all surprised to see huge day one login numbers. The question is whether people like what they see enough to stick around.

Re:Bluesky partners with Namecheap to power domains as usern... by delecti on Friday July 07, 2023 @08:59AM (#36631046)
I'm certainly not sticking around. I signed up, pulled over my follow list from IG, muted a bunch of brand accounts I didn't follow, realized the feed was 100% algorithmic, and haven't launched it again since.
Re:Bluesky partners with Namecheap to power domains as usern... by saagarjha on Friday July 07, 2023 @12:26AM (#36627118)
> Threads had 48m users in a day which already includes the most popular influencers, journalists etc.

Being able to migrate existing accounts in seconds tends to do that. Let’s see how many stick around.

Re:Bluesky partners with Namecheap to power domains as usern... by foogazi on Friday July 07, 2023 @12:39AM (#36627216)
> Being able to migrate existing accounts in seconds tends to do that. Let’s see how many stick around.

You discount Threads user going the “easy” route, but think they will somehow go the “hard” way ?

Re:Bluesky partners with Namecheap to power domains as usern... by pretendgeneer on Friday July 07, 2023 @12:19AM (#36627055)
Facebook has never lied about numbers as a way to kill off competitors. So There's no reason to think their reported numbers aren't perfectly correct.
Re:Bluesky partners with Namecheap to power domains as usern... by rhaway84773 on Friday July 07, 2023 @12:18AM (#36627038)
Even if Threads is crap, it’s pretty obvious it’s gonna steal all of Twitter’s advertisers the moment they start showing ads, because the ad money generating users are moving onto Threads.

Heck, Threads doesn’t even need to show ads and the displacement of ad money away from Twitter will benefit Meta as much of that Twitter ad money will get redirected to Meta properties like FB and IG instead.

Re:Bluesky partners with Namecheap to power domains as usern... by threeseed on Friday July 07, 2023 @12:28AM (#36627135)
There is a related problem for Twitter which reminds me of the Altavista/Google days.

Zuckerberg has said that they won't run ads until there is a credible path to 1 billion users.

So for a year or more it will be Threads with no ads. And Twitter with according to their newly hired CEO "full-screen, sound-on" ads.

Re:Bluesky partners with Namecheap to power domains as usern... by TheAceOfHearts on Friday July 07, 2023 @01:20AM (#36627515)
My Threads feed is full of massive brands promoting itselves already. Since you can't control the feed those are basically free ads. The only major difference will be that in the future those brands will be paying Meta for the privilege. Get the brands addicted with free engagement early on and then once they're good and hooked you start charging.
Re:Bluesky partners with Namecheap to power domains as usern... by joegahona on Friday July 07, 2023 @02:01AM (#36627799)
You can block them, which I’ve been doing more than I’d like today. I blocked Gary Vee, Wendy’s, the UFC, The Verge, Khloe Kardashian, and about a dozen more accounts I would never follow.
Re:Bluesky partners with Namecheap to power domains as usern... by threeseed on Friday July 07, 2023 @02:38AM (#36628028)
The chronological feed is coming soon at which point that will not be an issue.

And as mentioned you can simply Mute/Block them.

But there is going to be a year or more of Threads being ad-free whilst Twitter is not. That's a game changer.

Re:Bluesky partners with Namecheap to power domains as usern... by luch on Friday July 07, 2023 @04:13AM (#36628741)
> The chronological feed is coming soon

Not it won't. Facebook removed the chronological feed 10 years ago, they won't reintroduce it in Threads.

"Curated" feeds is how they get announcers to pay for visibility since the user has no control over what it is displayed at a given time

Re:Bluesky partners with Namecheap to power domains as usern... by lapcat on Friday July 07, 2023 @12:21AM (#36627076)
FWIW (not much) Zuck said they don't intend to monetize Threads until there's "a clear path to 1 billion people" https://www.threads.net/t/CuW5-eWL34x

That seems kind of strange to me, though, because 1 billion is more than 3x the entire Twitter user base.

Re:Bluesky partners with Namecheap to power domains as usern... by chupchap on Friday July 07, 2023 @12:30AM (#36627157)
> path to 1 billion people

Also Insta has 1bn+ active MAUs and Meta us leaning heavily on Insta for Threads

Re:Bluesky partners with Namecheap to power domains as usern... by lapcat on Friday July 07, 2023 @12:39AM (#36627213)
Sure, but those 1 billion people could have signed up for Twitter at any point in the last 17 years if they were interested. Twitter already maxed out its user base, so I'm skeptical that there's a 1 billion potential here.
Re:Bluesky partners with Namecheap to power domains as usern... by mmiyer on Friday July 07, 2023 @01:42AM (#36627654)
Personally I signed up for threads and have been liking using it so far even though I never really used twitter. I think it has lower startup cost than Twitter because the algorithmic feed really works well without having to manually follow a lot of people. So I think there is reason for Zuck to dream big.
Re:Bluesky partners with Namecheap to power domains as usern... by lapcat on Friday July 07, 2023 @08:35AM (#36630741)
> I think it has lower startup cost than Twitter because the algorithmic feed really works well without having to manually follow a lot of people.

Twitter has an algorithmic feed.

Re:Bluesky partners with Namecheap to power domains as usern... by xwdv on Friday July 07, 2023 @04:34AM (#36628920)
Either way, Threads runs very lightweight, and can easily go 10 years with no revenue.
Re:Bluesky partners with Namecheap to power domains as usern... by Spivak on Friday July 07, 2023 @12:55AM (#36627327)
Also there's a bigger difference which is that FB/Meta ads are in an entirely different league of quality. The only ads I hear people IRL talking about actually buying and liking the products advertised to them are IG.
Re:Bluesky partners with Namecheap to power domains as usern... by Hamuko on Friday July 07, 2023 @12:08AM (#36626978)
I've heard absolutely no one say anything positive about Threads. Mostly just that it shows you irrelevant content because there's no chronological timeline.
Re:Bluesky partners with Namecheap to power domains as usern... by imauser on Friday July 07, 2023 @01:34AM (#36627610)
Maybe get out your bubble for a while
Re:Bluesky partners with Namecheap to power domains as usern... by routelastresort on Friday July 07, 2023 @12:18AM (#36627043)
90% of my timeline is on Threads is all stuff I don't even follow, while Bluesky is exactly what I ask for. Decentralized platforms are the only way to go, even if it's the centralized version and vision. The Zucc way of ramming (overly) suggested content and ads down your throat will die if there are alternatives.
Re:Bluesky partners with Namecheap to power domains as usern... by justapassenger on Friday July 07, 2023 @12:37AM (#36627206)
They announced that more feed options, including followers only are coming.

They rushed to market.

Re:Bluesky partners with Namecheap to power domains as usern... by atq2119 on Friday July 07, 2023 @02:04AM (#36627819)
Considering that "followed only" is far simpler to build, that's a pretty lame excuse and doesn't do anything to change my opinion about whether they're priorities are healthy.
Re:Bluesky partners with Namecheap to power domains as usern... by justapassenger on Friday July 07, 2023 @11:16AM (#36632999)
I’m not a fan of that decision either. But I can understand why they added it first. Otherwise, when you sign up, you have empty feed and it’ll take a long time for you to get enough of content, as others subscribe, you follow them and they start posting.

With this decision they ensured you have content from the day one. Often irrelevant (which is risky), but TBH, I’ve found their algorithm to be ok. I’ll drop it as soon as possible, but for v0, I’m ok with it.

Re:Bluesky partners with Namecheap to power domains as usern... by fastball on Friday July 07, 2023 @12:31AM (#36627159)
> Decentralized platforms are the way to go even if it is centralized

Wat.

Re:Bluesky partners with Namecheap to power domains as usern... by botanical on Friday July 07, 2023 @01:00AM (#36627362)
Probably as in you can move your account to another server seamlessly. Mastodon also relies on "centralised" servers; none of them are p2p
Re:Bluesky partners with Namecheap to power domains as usern... by agnosticmantis on Friday July 07, 2023 @02:04AM (#36627814)
Isn’t that federation?
Re:Bluesky partners with Namecheap to power domains as usern... by didntcheck on Friday July 07, 2023 @04:07AM (#36628691)
Just federated identity, like OpenID. It doesn't necessitate distributed systems with communicating backends, like Mastodon or Usenet, just that it allows the user to bring their own IdP and therefore to have "sovereignty" to verify their own identity across platforms. The alternate route is to have users cryptographically certify their registrations post-hoc, e.g. Keybase
Re:Bluesky partners with Namecheap to power domains as usern... by 8organicbits on Friday July 07, 2023 @05:33PM (#36638625)
You cropped the key part

> ... centralized version and vision

Re:Bluesky partners with Namecheap to power domains as usern... by guraf on Friday July 07, 2023 @12:56AM (#36627330)
> Decentralized platforms are the only way to go, even if it's the centralized version and vision

The mental gymnastics you decentralized shills go through is astounding.

Re:Bluesky partners with Namecheap to power domains as usern... by _nhynes on Friday July 07, 2023 @02:38AM (#36628031)
A less uncharitable interpretation of the parent comment is that decentralized platforms are the only way to guarantee personal freedom, save a saintly BDFL or government regulation. Not likely to happen.

The “even if it’s the centralized version” is an acknowledgement that some users may prefer centralization, or the platform is still too young to usefully decentralize. As long as there is a way out, or a credible plan, freedom is preserved.

The third Matrix succeeded due to choice—even at the subconscious level.

Re:Bluesky partners with Namecheap to power domains as usern... by femiagbabiaka on Friday July 07, 2023 @01:28AM (#36627578)
I thought Bluesky was only decentralized in theory. Have alternative open source servers been released?
Re:Bluesky partners with Namecheap to power domains as usern... by s3krit on Friday July 07, 2023 @07:12AM (#36630009)
They've launched the 'sandbox' which is the federated/decentralised dev/staging environment. So yes, you can run your own PDS (server) and have it federate with others, but it's still very much in development and 'here be dragons'

https://github.com/bluesky-social/pds/blob/main/SANDBOX.md

Re:Bluesky partners with Namecheap to power domains as usern... by femiagbabiaka on Friday July 07, 2023 @02:36PM (#36636387)
Super cool!
Re:Bluesky partners with Namecheap to power domains as usern... by troupo on Friday July 07, 2023 @01:54AM (#36627746)
> while Bluesky is exactly what I ask for

Not exactly. They can't even show you full timelines: https://bsky.app/profile/dholms.xyz/post/3jzsdcorxx42n

Re:Bluesky partners with Namecheap to power domains as usern... by inpdx on Friday July 07, 2023 @02:05AM (#36627825)
Trivial to code up a custom feed to show however long you want.
Re:Bluesky partners with Namecheap to power domains as usern... by troupo on Friday July 07, 2023 @04:50AM (#36629030)
wat?

Also: I'm definitely not going to code anything?

Re:Bluesky partners with Namecheap to power domains as usern... by bowsamic on Friday July 07, 2023 @05:19AM (#36629211)
> 90% of my timeline is on Threads is all stuff I don't even follow

Most people want this though. They don't just want to see people they follow, they want to be served an endless stream of takes and fight videos

Re:Bluesky partners with Namecheap to power domains as usern... by jabbany on Friday July 07, 2023 @12:58AM (#36627348)
Huh I always thought the invitation mechanism wasn't to do with scaling but more of an exclusivity thing to get those who do join more invested...