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Re:Threads, an Instagram App by lopkeny12ko on Monday July 03, 2023 @07:53PM (#36580383)
Disappointing that competitors are bootstrapping new social networks by mass-scraping Twitter data. This is almost certainly what Elon was referring to earlier this week; the same thing happened with Substack Notes. Hope Twitter pursues legal action against Meta for this.
Re:Threads, an Instagram App by asdadsdad on Monday July 03, 2023 @07:57PM (#36580428)
Meta is extremely hypocritical about scraping. They continuously send their legal team to threaten third parties on scraping of their platforms yet time and again are caught red-handed
Re:Threads, an Instagram App by danShumway on Monday July 03, 2023 @07:59PM (#36580455)
> are bootstrapping new social networks by mass-scraping Twitter data

I am 99% sure that this is not a real thing and that you're using all of these words incorrectly.

When was Substack illegally scraping Twitter data? What Twitter data is being used to bootstrap Threads?

Re:Threads, an Instagram App by lopkeny12ko on Monday July 03, 2023 @09:48PM (#36581150)
> When was Substack illegally scraping Twitter data?

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1644638493883211779

> What Twitter data is being used to bootstrap Threads?

I have no proof of this. It's just speculation. I also don't have an iDevice so I can't install the app and look for myself.

But the timing of Twitter's rate limiting this week, combined with Elon's clarification that Twitter data is being mass-scraped, combined with the launch of Threads this week...can't be a coincidence, can it?

Re:Threads, an Instagram App by predictabl3 on Monday July 03, 2023 @10:25PM (#36581453)
Friend, I am a fan of, and highly recommend use your critical thinking skills to evaluate statements that others make before parroting them. I don't repeat things that make no sense on their face, like "Substack is scraping Twitter" or "Threads is bootstrapping off Twitter data".

Like, what would that even mean? Do you really think Meta is going to launch a Twitter competitor and just wholesale impersonate accounts and their content? If not, what even are you implying?

(from the "proof" link where Elon was accusing Substack of scraping:)

>2. Substack was trying to download a massive portion of the Twitter database to bootstrap their Twitter clone, so their IP address is obviously untrusted.

lol, reading that still makes me chuckle. I can't believe people eat his crap up even when the circumstances make it clear that he's backpeddaling and desperately trying to save face.

Re:Threads, an Instagram App by gremlinsinc on Monday July 03, 2023 @10:18PM (#36581407)
actually it can, because threads has probably been in development for months? I doubt Zuck put it together since Friday. Most likely he knew Elon musk is an idiot who doesn't know the first thing about social media companies and has created a power vacuum for a Twitter like app, and now there's one for a Reddit like app..

If someone could marry the two, in a non profit Wikipedia sort of way, with decent Democratic way to moderate and vote on new features etc, we could kill two birds with one stone and replace both Twitter and Reddit.

Re:Threads, an Instagram App by danShumway on Tuesday July 04, 2023 @01:47AM (#36582667)
I can't read this tweet to find out what Elon is claiming because... gestures wildly around at the state of Twitter.

But linking to an Elon Musk tweet does not on its face change anything about my prior that this is not a real thing and that you're using all of these words incorrectly. Elon thinks everything that is personally inconvenient to him is illegal. He's threatened legal action in the past over advertisers just not buying ads from him.

He just says stuff. But you have to apply some critical thinking here -- what would it even look like to "bootstrap" Threads with Twitter data? These words mean things, if Threads is being bootstrapped with stolen data, there should be Twitter data on Threads -- accounts should be mirrored, content should be mirrored, there should be something. Is there?

> But the timing of Twitter's rate limiting this week, combined with Elon's clarification that Twitter data is being mass-scraped, combined with the launch of Threads this week...can't be a coincidence, can it?

The timing of Threads launching this week is probably a direct response to gestures wildly around at the state of Twitter right now. I find it incredibly unlikely that Instagram launching Threads crippled Twitter's infrastructure.

Particularly given that Elon Musk himself claimed (also likely incorrectly) that it was AI companies crippling the site, not rival social networks.

Re:Threads, an Instagram App by smoldesu on Tuesday July 04, 2023 @09:48AM (#36586606)
> can't be a coincidence, can it?

Boy do I have a cosmic bridge to sell you!

Re:Threads, an Instagram App by brucethemoose2 on Monday July 03, 2023 @07:56PM (#36580424)
I am not sure what you mean? Why does Threads need any Twitter data?
Re:Threads, an Instagram App by threeseed on Monday July 03, 2023 @07:56PM (#36580425)
a) There is no evidence of mass-scraping.

b) It is legal and ethical to scrape public data. Especially when that data is owned by its users and not by Twitter.

c) The far more likely explanation for Twitter's rate limiting is that they didn't pay their AWS/Google bill and rather than cut the service off they limited its bandwidth and/or compute capacity.

Re:Threads, an Instagram App by gsabo on Monday July 03, 2023 @07:55PM (#36580408)
I’m curious how you think data scraping could be used to bootstrap a new social network like this
Re:Threads, an Instagram App by tills13 on Monday July 03, 2023 @07:56PM (#36580421)
maybe I missed it but how does this utilize Twitter data for bootstrapping?
Re:Threads, an Instagram App by smoldesu on Monday July 03, 2023 @07:55PM (#36580411)
What content is being scraped, here?
Re:Threads, an Instagram App by clipsy on Monday July 03, 2023 @09:21PM (#36580971)
As respectfully as possible: can you define what you mean by scraping? Because it seems very much like you don't understand what that word means or are using it very idiosyncratically.