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Re:Confirmed: Twitter switched temporarily to rate limited mode by jdminhbg on Saturday July 01, 2023 @03:46PM (#36554278)
This is some pretty dumb mental gymnastics to retcon a motivation. The simple explanation: he made an offer for Twitter, then the market (and Twitter’s value) crashed, and he tried to avoid paying the now-vastly overpriced fee he was on the hook for.
Re:Confirmed: Twitter switched temporarily to rate limited mode by krainboltgreene on Saturday July 01, 2023 @04:47PM (#36555013)
This timeline is ahistorical.
Re:Confirmed: Twitter switched temporarily to rate limited mode by bb611 on Saturday July 01, 2023 @05:14PM (#36555296)
His offer was always well above fair value, which is why Twitter's board took him to court to enforce it.
Re:Confirmed: Twitter switched temporarily to rate limited mode by JauntTrooper on Saturday July 01, 2023 @05:40PM (#36555551)
His offer was $54.20 in April 2022. That was a 38% premium to the market price immediately prior to his investment, which is attractive but not necessarily "always well above fair value"

Twitter had traded above that price as recently as five months earlier, and had traded in the $60s and even $70s for most of 2021. Twitter's stock had cratered in early 2022 along with many other tech stocks (Facebook went from $330 to $220 in that period).

At the time, the Board could have argued that the current stock price was artificially low due to market forces, and that it wasn't an accurate reflection of the company's prospects. That's especially true because Boards have access to non-public information and longer term forecasts.

When the board agreed to the merger, it signaled to investors that sophisticated insiders on the Board and their financial advisors did not believe the stock would be reasonably likely to reach the offer price in the near/medium term, on a risk adjusted basis, and thus the acquisition is superior. That's important intel for investors, and one of the reasons why failed mergers are so risky.

Re:Confirmed: Twitter switched temporarily to rate limited mode by samtp on Saturday July 01, 2023 @06:26PM (#36555985)
In what world is a 38% premium not well above market value? If you pay $1.38m for a $1m house, you are definitely paying well above market value.
Re:Confirmed: Twitter switched temporarily to rate limited mode by JauntTrooper on Saturday July 01, 2023 @06:54PM (#36556177)
Market value and fair value aren't necessarily the same thing.

The 38% is just the one day premium. The offer was at a discount to the stock price less than six months earlier. It was possible that the stock price had overreacted to a tech sell off, and if the market had rebounded by the summer the bid could have looked genius.

Market pricing in M&A is somewhat opaque and different than trading prices because it's based partly on synergy value to a bidder. To use your house example, if the house next door was willing to pay $1.5 million for your house, then the $1.38M is not above market even if Zillow and the list price say it's $1 million.

There were other potential suitors for Twitter, like Microsoft, Disney, Salesforce and private equity. They might have valued it more than Musk based on the benefits it brought their firms. Twitter would be a lot more valuable inside Amazon, Google or Meta but there were probably antitrust issues there.

Plus Twitter's board and management team had access to a lot of material non public information that investors did not. Even if you thought the market price in early April accurately reflected all the public info on Twitter, the Board was looking at 5 year projections and much more detailed pricing/demand/customer info.

The Delaware Courts give a lot of deference to board judgment in these situations, and Twitter's board would have been well within their rights to say "no, that 38% is not good enough" if that was their conclusion after a good faith and reasonable process.

Re:Confirmed: Twitter switched temporarily to rate limited mode by fundad on Saturday July 01, 2023 @07:48PM (#36556555)
Twitter’s board exited. Post-ZIRP they knew fair value wasn’t higher than the offer so they took the money.
Re:Confirmed: Twitter switched temporarily to rate limited mode by badrequest on Sunday July 02, 2023 @02:14AM (#36558758)
Does doing mental gymnastics like this strengthen your brain?
Re:Confirmed: Twitter switched temporarily to rate limited mode by rrrrrrrrrrrryan on Sunday July 02, 2023 @03:13AM (#36559071)
20% - 50% is the typical premium paid to take a public company private.
Re:Confirmed: Twitter switched temporarily to rate limited mode by JauntTrooper on Sunday July 02, 2023 @08:12PM (#36567186)
No, but it's my day job.
Re:Confirmed: Twitter switched temporarily to rate limited mode by ipaddr on Monday July 03, 2023 @12:32PM (#36575316)
Where did you hear Disney wanted to buy twitter?
Re:Confirmed: Twitter switched temporarily to rate limited mode by mirekrusin on Sunday July 02, 2023 @12:48AM (#36558316)
Twitter trades at $53.79 now.
Re:Confirmed: Twitter switched temporarily to rate limited mode by 3cats-in-a-coat on Sunday July 02, 2023 @10:11AM (#36561649)
Twitter does not trade right now.
Re:Confirmed: Twitter switched temporarily to rate limited mode by mirekrusin on Sunday July 02, 2023 @04:35PM (#36565407)
Oh crap, you're right, I'm off the loop.

So he just made it private?

Re:Confirmed: Twitter switched temporarily to rate limited mode by 3cats-in-a-coat on Monday July 03, 2023 @07:31AM (#36571469)
It's private now, yes. Owned by Musk, Saudi Arabian investors, Jack Dorsey is in with 1 billion (which is now more like 1/3 of a billion) Elon loaned 13 billion of high interest loan from banks, in a leveraged buyout, which means now Twitter owns that debt of 13 billion and paying interest on it of 1 billion a year.

It's a rather dramatic situation.

Re:Confirmed: Twitter switched temporarily to rate limited mode by user_named on Saturday July 01, 2023 @05:23PM (#36555390)
Wrong
Re:Confirmed: Twitter switched temporarily to rate limited mode by kgwxd on Saturday July 01, 2023 @07:28PM (#36556435)
Hanlon's razor is reserved for people without a long history of malice.