The page is pretty misleading. And design wise looks like a scam targeting conservative talk radio listeners.

>And design wise looks like a scam targeting conservative talk radio listeners.

Yeah I thought this was Freedom Phone 2.0 at first

The video on their website is even more damaging...

Edit: Note, this is NOT a claim about this company, their security, or practices -- just a look at the "Made in USA" label they press heavily

"The integrated circuits can come from outside the united states"

A bit of research seems to indicate that this is a fuzzy system..

> The product’s final assembly or processing must take place in the U.S. The Commission then considers other factors, including how much of the product’s total manufacturing costs can be assigned to U.S. parts and processing, and how far removed any foreign content is from the finished product. [1]

So basically, they could have a foreign made network card, cpu, OS... but if you're making a $10,000 car and the total cost of the foreign assistance is <~$500?, it can still be Made in America while being 100% all logic from foreign sources and highly insecure (as long as the dollar costs work out satisfactory to a commission of people)

You can basically skirt the rules by taking 'assembled in America' another level or two deeper -- like they have. They also do the OS in-states, which they can likely claim is a "huge processing effort" -- which could make the hardware aspects and origin less important in the commissions review

[1]: https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/documents/plain-language/bu...

Who doesn’t make their operating system in the United States? I can’t think of any technology I own that has an operating system not made here

Linux doesn't have one specific national origin if you were to add up all the developers of the kernel and the base packages in a CLI only Debian install.

This Made in USA is completely BS and scam …

purism doesn't have the benefit of the doubt anymore.

in past i rooted for them and assumed everything was innocent mistakes... but receiving their borderline illegal investment scam emails every month and the way they deny librem13/15 quality issues just taught me it is pure malice.

While the 13/15 had poor build, the Librem 14 is quite well built and the most secure laptop on the market today (outside of proprietary closed-source.)

Assembled, sure. I can promise you the chips are not being made in the US.

They claim the chips are US-made (with a typo and using unclear language), but then the table of origin says something different.

It doesn't inspire confidence.

Agreed that there is no way the same facility is manufacturing the chips and handling assembly as implied by their language

That’s not quite what they claim. I’ll grant you it is confusing wording though. The paragraphs above the table of origin say:

> We use US companies with US fabrication whenever possible. Most distributors are based in the US with the exception of large integrated circuits that are made in a variety of countries where those companies do fabrication (US, Taiwan, South Korea, Japan); an example is the NXP CPU we use from their fabrication in South Korea.

That is clearer and more believable. I'm going by the language on the page I shared. (Yes I'm aware your quote is from the same page).

"All the electronics of the Liberty Phone is made in our USA facility" tells me that they are manufacturing all the components at the same facility, which beggars belief.

What your parent quoted comes from the page you shared.

I don't know how to communicate more clearly that there is a contradiction in their claims on the same page.

The phone (its PCB, PCBA and assembly) is made at the USA facility, in contrast to the regular Librem 5 which is made in China. It uses some components that come from outside of the US.

"All the electronics of the Liberty Phone are made in our USA facility, and the entire phone is assembled at that same facility, using the same manufacturing process we used for the Librem 5 devkits in 2018 and Librem Key that has the Made in the USA label started in 2019."

"All the electronics of the Liberty Phone are made in our USA facility"

"All the electronics"

Edit: newlines

Electronics refers to circuit board assembly not discrete electrical components. I doubt you think their diodes or capacitors are US made

I would wager a significant amount of money that the vast majority of people who read "ALL ELECTRONICS" are going to believe that discrete electrical components are considered part of the category "ALL ELECTRONICS".

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FWIW I understood your communication and I agree it is contradictory:)

It depends on how "made" is defined. Does it mean designed, manufactured, or assembled? Probably the latter.