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Re:American arrested after Canadian airport drug tests gave ... by wendyshu on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @08:42AM (#36491945)
Yeah those drug tests have a nonzero false postive rate. It's a well known fact.
Re:American arrested after Canadian airport drug tests gave ... by windows2020 on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @08:53AM (#36492055)
A small device was demoed to me that could accept an object and report if it had cocaine on it. The officer asked for a dollar, I handed him one, and they put it in.

The machine detected cocaine. I was surprised to learn that the powder is so fine it's on nearly all US paper money.

Re:American arrested after Canadian airport drug tests gave ... by spywaregorilla on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @09:08AM (#36492181)
How is this measured? The concentrations seem so small. Are we sure the readings are accurate?
Re:American arrested after Canadian airport drug tests gave ... by whaleofatw2022 on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @09:45AM (#36492659)
What if the cocaine is actually there as a secret anti counterfitting measure?
Re:American arrested after Canadian airport drug tests gave ... by throwaway173738 on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @10:14AM (#36493086)
It’s in the ink. One of the ways you can tell a US bill is authentic is by licking it. If your tongue or gums go numb then it’s definitely not counterfeit.
Re:American arrested after Canadian airport drug tests gave ... by janosdebugs on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @06:20PM (#36499487)
Yikes, given how dirty paper money is I wouldn't lick it.
Re:American arrested after Canadian airport drug tests gave ... by spywaregorilla on Thursday June 29, 2023 @09:32AM (#36520116)
Is this a joke?
Re:American arrested after Canadian airport drug tests gave ... by never_inline on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @01:14PM (#36495881)
Took me a second.
Re:American arrested after Canadian airport drug tests gave ... by sophacles on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @08:55AM (#36492072)
Sad to see we (the US) started exporting this sort of behavior to Canada. Sad also to see Canadians falling for the "ruin lives for no reason" ruse.
Re:American arrested after Canadian airport drug tests gave ... by clemailacct1 on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @12:19PM (#36494963)
This is a very weird take. You’re assuming Canada is a victim in this, again, super weird take. As if the Canadian govt hasn’t already demonstrated its authoritarian policies for decades already.

Canada created and implemented this policy, not the US.

Re:American arrested after Canadian airport drug tests gave ... by WarOnPrivacy on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @08:59AM (#36492115)
US LEO are huge fans of a roadside drug test that scores tons of false positives https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/10/magazine/how-a-2-roadside... https://archive.fo/5K9jJ
Re:American arrested after Canadian airport drug tests gave ... by mdrzn on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @09:19AM (#36492295)
Re:American arrested after Canadian airport drug tests gave ... by soderfoo on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @09:20AM (#36492311)
The 'hocus pocus' and flimsy science underlying field tests and forensics is egregious. The flaws associated with these narcotic field tests (the Scott Test and variants) are well established [0][1]

With this in mind, it seems the reasonableness and probability requisite for arrest are eroded [2]. I wonder how courts continue to allow questionable science to serve as justification for arrests.

[0] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0026265X1...

[1] https://www.propublica.org/article/no-field-test-is-fail-saf...

[2] "Reasonable and probable grounds", is the requisite standard for arrest in Canada (similar to the U.S. standard).

Re:American arrested after Canadian airport drug tests gave ... by staticautomatic on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @02:55PM (#36497171)
In the US, the cops essentially get a free pass to make mistaken arrests. The canonical example is arresting someone pursuant to a warrant that the cop thinks exists but doesn’t.
Re:American arrested after Canadian airport drug tests gave ... by trogdor on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @03:43PM (#36497698)
Why should a police officer who reasonably believes that a warrant exists be punished for making the arrest?

As far as I know, mistakes of fact (and mistakes of law) by the police are only excused if they are objectively reasonable given the circumstances. It’s not a universal get-out-of-jail-free card.

Re:American arrested after Canadian airport drug tests gave ... by professor_x on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @04:02PM (#36497935)
how does this happen in practice? This must all be computerized now, you’re either in the system or not. Why does the officers beliefs factor into whether or not you have a warrant
Re:American arrested after Canadian airport drug tests gave ... by staticautomatic on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @04:08PM (#36498005)
The standard IIRC is actually something more like subjectively reasonable good faith belief
Re:American arrested after Canadian airport drug tests gave ... by basisword on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @09:22AM (#36492346)
I don’t understand this. Does Canadian law allow prosecutions for trace amounts of drugs that are invisible to the naked eye? I can understand swiping the luggage and finding a trace amount leading you to conduct a more thorough search of the luggage (e.g. for hidden compartments) but otherwise, not only is this a huge violation of the guys rights, but it’s a waste of every bodies time and tax payer money.
Re:American arrested after Canadian airport drug tests gave ... by icegreentea2 on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @09:42AM (#36492605)
I think they assumed that the liquid in the shampoo bottle contained cocaine (some new magic smuggling method), and then sent it off for lab testing. He was detained awaiting test results.

The question is if the field test used is specific enough to rise to the level of arresting/detaining someone.

Re:American arrested after Canadian airport drug tests gave ... by cyberneticist on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @10:14AM (#36493097)
That is not a new method. There is even a Locked Up Abroad episode that someone gets caught smuggling coke in shampoo bottles through the airport.

I would think it is quite common and effective to throw off drug dogs.

3 bottles and one tests positive for coke, I am not sure what anyone would reasonably expect the officers to do here besides arrest the guy.

Seems straight forward though this guy is owed a good amount of money from the Canadian government for his troubles.

Re:American arrested after Canadian airport drug tests gave ... by basisword on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @03:42PM (#36497681)
Coke in liquid form?
Re:American arrested after Canadian airport drug tests gave ... by Simulacra on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @10:42AM (#36493566)
In theory, law enforcement could arrest you based on trace amounts of drugs found anywhere on your person. If they want to arrest you they will find a reason, and trace amounts is sometimes good enough. Even if it will never hold up in court, if they want to get you, they will.
Re:American arrested after Canadian airport drug tests gave ... by talldatethrow on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @12:09PM (#36494816)
This was a common complaint about PCR covid tests with the cycles ramped up.
Re:American arrested after Canadian airport drug tests gave ... by derelicta on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @09:27AM (#36492402)
What a nightmare
Re:American arrested after Canadian airport drug tests gave ... by vikingerik on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @09:27AM (#36492406)
When your real goal is to display how zealous you are, false positives are a feature, not a bug.
Re:American arrested after Canadian airport drug tests gave ... by coolhand2120 on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @10:15AM (#36493104)
Authoritarianism dressed as public safety!?! Gasp! Who would have thought up such an insidious scheme! Could it be the government?!
Re:American arrested after Canadian airport drug tests gave ... by rfwhyte on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @11:15AM (#36494067)
While false positives are a well documented result from drug tests, one detail that struck me as very odd in this story is the fact this dude was returning home to the US from Brazil with not one, not two, but three bottles of Shampoo in his luggage?
Re:American arrested after Canadian airport drug tests gave ... by talldatethrow on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @12:09PM (#36494808)
It's not uncommon to find a product on vacation, or from your home country that you like so much that you stock up on your return home.
Re:American arrested after Canadian airport drug tests gave ... by devilbunny on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @02:31PM (#36496843)
I found an anti-dandruff shampoo in France that was marvelously effective but whose active ingredient isn't in any US anti-dandruff shampoos. I brought four bottles back. I don't need to use it very often to get the effect, shipping liquids is expensive, and I had spare room in my luggage.

OTOH, nobody is trying to smuggle cocaine from France to the US.

Re:American arrested after Canadian airport drug tests gave ... by sys_64738 on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @04:56PM (#36498529)
Why is it you find three bottles odd? People who think that way get others arrested in many walks of life by reporting a stranger acting funny.
Re:American arrested after Canadian airport drug tests gave ... by aaomidi on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @06:07PM (#36513313)
Why the fuck are airports checking for drugs.