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Re:No Markdown support in Google Drive after all these years by RadiozRadioz on Sunday June 25, 2023 @06:50AM (#36466868)
Simple: if you make your documents in Markdown, you won't be making them in Google Docs. Stuff made in Google Docs is sticky, increases your dependence on Google, and importantly has a valuable network effect due to their collaboration features. It is in Google's best interest to encourage you to rely on their proprietary services instead of offering you alternatives that allow you to switch provider easily.

Additionally, the "people who know what Markdown is but also like trusting Google with their files" demographic is vanishingly small and not who Drive is targeting at all.

Re:No Markdown support in Google Drive after all these years by SahAssar on Sunday June 25, 2023 @07:27AM (#36467082)
"people who know what Markdown is" overlaps very much with "people who have to use google docs for work but would prefer a consistent editing experience". Basically every dev I know has to use either teams/sharepoint/office or google docs, but most are also more comfortable with using markdown and use it for technical docs.

I'd love to have a google docs option of creating a "simple doc", that is backed by markdown and only supports the basics (headers, paragraphs, lists, maybe tables) and have a WYSIWYG for non-tech people and a (maybe git-based?) workflow for people used to markdown.

Something like what azure devops and github does with their wikis.

Re:No Markdown support in Google Drive after all these years by watwut on Sunday June 25, 2023 @07:29AM (#36467098)
Yes, pretty much this. I use Sharepoint and teams because I have to, not because I would think they are good or because I liked them. Sharepoint in particular is horrible, Teams are only slightly better.

I want markdown on sharepoint.

Re:No Markdown support in Google Drive after all these years by aquaticsunset on Sunday June 25, 2023 @08:40AM (#36467604)
Try Loop, if your organization has been enabled for it. It's exactly what people here are wishing Google Drive had.
Re:No Markdown support in Google Drive after all these years by noisy_boy on Sunday June 25, 2023 @08:01AM (#36467300)
> Basically every dev I know has to use either teams/sharepoint/office or google docs

I think there is another sizable set which heavily uses wiki. At my work, most people use it (a very small set of people use SharePoint for mainly PowerPoint or formatting heavy docs).

Re:No Markdown support in Google Drive after all these years by SahAssar on Sunday June 25, 2023 @08:08AM (#36467360)
Are those devs not ever collaborating with non-tech people on documents? Also when you say wiki, do you mean a mediawiki instance or the ones included in things like github?
Re:No Markdown support in Google Drive after all these years by danielvaughn on Sunday June 25, 2023 @08:22AM (#36467453)
+1, I love google docs and also love markdown. If there was a shared markdown editor with the same collaborative features as google docs, i'd probably never use anything else.
Re:No Markdown support in Google Drive after all these years by hiddew on Sunday June 25, 2023 @11:27AM (#36469229)
We use Slite extensively at work. Works pretty well to quickly create/edit documents with a nice editor. When you type Markdown, the content automatically resolves the styling/headers/lists. Multiple persons editing a document at the same time is (of course) supported. And every document can be exported as Markdown or PDF.
Re:No Markdown support in Google Drive after all these years by indymike on Sunday June 25, 2023 @11:43AM (#36469399)
Sounds a lot like something like Notion?
Re:No Markdown support in Google Drive after all these years by SahAssar on Sunday June 25, 2023 @12:12PM (#36469761)
Notion is very sluggish and feels very unlike a markdown file-based system to me.
Re:No Markdown support in Google Drive after all these years by danielvaughn on Sunday June 25, 2023 @01:35PM (#36470725)
Agreed, I like certain aspects of Notion, but as a FE dev myself, I think what they’re trying to do is too complex. I don’t see how they could ever make it performant.
Re:No Markdown support in Google Drive after all these years by fastball on Sunday June 25, 2023 @12:07PM (#36469700)
Notion doesn't use Markdown.
Re:No Markdown support in Google Drive after all these years by indymike on Sunday June 25, 2023 @12:18PM (#36469817)
Just type in markdown :-). It mostly works for input.
Re:No Markdown support in Google Drive after all these years by fastball on Sunday June 25, 2023 @09:48PM (#36474773)
Sure, you can add asterisks around things and it will convert stuff to bold, etc, but Notion isn't actually a markdown-based app – the underlying representation of a Notion doc is stored as JSON.
Re:No Markdown support in Google Drive after all these years by mholm on Sunday June 25, 2023 @12:31PM (#36469961)
Product with corporate lock-in, but Quip allows the user to use markdown in their documents, and export their documents into Markdown.
Re:No Markdown support in Google Drive after all these years by sharma-arjun on Sunday June 25, 2023 @01:02PM (#36470317)
Dropbox Paper should meet your requirements. I tried switching to it a few years ago, but the problem is that the other people I'm collaborating with always want to use Google Docs, and when I'm writing a document by myself, I'd much rather just write to a local file.
Re:No Markdown support in Google Drive after all these years by grumblepeet on Sunday June 25, 2023 @12:57PM (#36470260)
SharePoint pages can now be created with Markdown BTW. There is a Markdown web part out of the box. Not so sure how Markdown files themselves are handled though, pretty badly I suspect.
Re:No Markdown support in Google Drive after all these years by adrianvoica on Sunday June 25, 2023 @06:58AM (#36466901)
'Additionally, the "people who know what Markdown is but also like trusting Google with their files" demographic is vanishingly small and not who Drive is targeting at all.' <--this 200%
Re:No Markdown support in Google Drive after all these years by danielbln on Sunday June 25, 2023 @08:05AM (#36467335)
It's just not true at all. Knowing/using markdown doesn't make you some Richard Stallmann type.
Re:No Markdown support in Google Drive after all these years by pluijzer on Sunday June 25, 2023 @08:15AM (#36467406)
Maybe the original author implies that you don't need to be a Richard Stallman type anymore, not to trust Google.
Re:No Markdown support in Google Drive after all these years by DangitBobby on Sunday June 25, 2023 @08:52AM (#36467703)
HN/Reddit is a bit of a bubble. Most people trust Google just fine with their files.
Re:No Markdown support in Google Drive after all these years by coldtea on Sunday June 25, 2023 @09:42AM (#36468097)
People who think Markdown users are a demographic major enough to matter in the context of the Google Drive userbase are also in a bit of a bubble...
Re:No Markdown support in Google Drive after all these years by DangitBobby on Sunday June 25, 2023 @09:52AM (#36468192)
Yep.
Re:No Markdown support in Google Drive after all these years by indymike on Sunday June 25, 2023 @11:30AM (#36469248)
I agree with this. Most people have know idea what markdown is, and if they do use it, it is usually the text format behind a WYSIWYG editor... Some examples: Slack, Github...
Re:No Markdown support in Google Drive after all these years by e40 on Sunday June 25, 2023 @07:58AM (#36467288)
Agree completely with the first paragraph and disagree completely with the second paragraph.

There are lots of us who use Google drive at work that love md.

Re:No Markdown support in Google Drive after all these years by afavour on Sunday June 25, 2023 @08:22AM (#36467454)
I’m a developer working at a company that uses GSuite. My personal feelings about trusting Google aren’t really relevant, I’d love to use Markdown in GDoc, as would many of my coworkers!
Re:No Markdown support in Google Drive after all these years by m-p-3 on Sunday June 25, 2023 @09:15AM (#36467891)
I'd be happy if only they supported the CommonMark format properly in GChat..
Re:No Markdown support in Google Drive after all these years by moffkalast on Sunday June 25, 2023 @08:24AM (#36467473)
There are dozens of you.
Re:No Markdown support in Google Drive after all these years by IshKebab on Sunday June 25, 2023 @08:30AM (#36467523)
Outside of HN, people that actually avoid giving Google any data are almost nonexistent. People that use Markdown definitely aren't. There's a huge number of pragmatic developers that use Markdown and Google.
Re:No Markdown support in Google Drive after all these years by coldtea on Sunday June 25, 2023 @09:39AM (#36468067)
Seems like people can't fathom that "developers" in general are an insignificant demographic. Google Drive is used by a billion or more (including most Android users).

Developers are a handful of millions. Developers that use markdown outside of where they're forced to and actively want Google Drive to support it are even fewer.

Re:No Markdown support in Google Drive after all these years by RadiozRadioz on Sunday June 25, 2023 @08:45AM (#36467643)
Apologies, that part was primarily intended for home users. Google certainly isn't targeting that demographic, there are much larger ones to go after.

If you're forced to use Drive at work, Google isn't targeting you either. It's targeting the C-suites above you who buy the software, and they don't know what Markdown is. The fact that engineers are lamenting the lack of Markdown in Google Drive shows how much influence they have over those decisions.

Re:No Markdown support in Google Drive after all these years by coldtea on Sunday June 25, 2023 @09:36AM (#36468051)
>Agree completely with the first paragraph and disagree completely with the second paragraph. There are lots of us who use Google drive at work that love md.

That's not incompatible with the demographic being vanishingly small and not who Drive is targeting at all.

"A lot of us" can still be an insignificant number compared to the Google Drive userbase and target demographic.

Now, "more than 10% of Google Drive users" might start getting somewhere. But I doubt it's even close to 1%.

Re:No Markdown support in Google Drive after all these years by KnobbleMcKnees on Sunday June 25, 2023 @09:51AM (#36468176)
I've seen virtually no use of Google Drive in the wild in my personal life. I've worked at 10k+ orgs that use it exclusively and every minute of every day.

I'm not sure where you're getting those stats but a source would be nice. I would suspect that their customer base and/or core usage is made up of far more tech company employees via Cloud and Workspaces than it is average Joes backing up documents.

Re:No Markdown support in Google Drive after all these years by coldtea on Sunday June 25, 2023 @10:15AM (#36468377)
>I've seen virtually no use of Google Drive in the wild in my personal life

That's what I call a bubble.

https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/25/17613442/google-drive-one...

And that's in 2023.

As for the numbers of organizational paying users in 2023 (corporate users) were 6 million, compared to "over a billion" (in 2023). And of those 6 million organizational users of course only a smaller share are developers. Regular file sharing and G-suite stuff for office workers is the order of the day.

Re:No Markdown support in Google Drive after all these years by jehb on Sunday June 25, 2023 @08:33PM (#36474215)
> I've seen virtually no use of Google Drive in the wild in my personal life.

Really? I'm curious, are the people you know using Dropbox, OneDrive, or something else? Or are they just not sharing files in a public cloud?

I started to retort "how do you even collaborate on spreadsheets with your friends?" before realizing maybe I just have some, err, unique friend groups.

Re:No Markdown support in Google Drive after all these years by KnobbleMcKnees on Monday June 26, 2023 @02:58AM (#36476581)
Our friend group also use spreadsheets to decide who is bringing what to the BBQ.

In the non tech-centric groups of friends and family, filesystem solutions have been superceded by all-in-ones like Google/Apple Photos, Notes etc.

Most people I know also use an iPhone meaning they're driven towards data storage that is built around an app use case, rather than simulating a desktop FS on another device.

Many of them use Google or Microsoft solutions for work though.

Re:No Markdown support in Google Drive after all these years by hooverd on Sunday June 25, 2023 @10:58AM (#36468853)
What's a good wiki with Markdown support? I hate how Confluence doesn't have it, and Jira sort of has it, even though they're supposed to be integrated. Preferably close to GFMD.
Re:No Markdown support in Google Drive after all these years by bippihippi1 on Sunday June 25, 2023 @11:24AM (#36469191)
that demographic is also likely to have an outaized effect on evangelizing cool new features and getting people to swap over from other products. how much google is trying to grow vs curb competition is the question.
Re:No Markdown support in Google Drive after all these years by indymike on Sunday June 25, 2023 @11:42AM (#36469393)
Google docs can only represent a subset of the document formatting and features in markdown (yes, there are html literals in markdown, but even then it isn't enough). Markdown could be an import/export format... but I can't see it working well with the Docs editor.
Re:No Markdown support in Google Drive after all these years by ELBeavers on Sunday June 25, 2023 @12:55PM (#36470235)
It's a bit like asking why Markdown isn't supported in Microsoft Word or Apple Pages. Environmental lock-in.
Re:No Markdown support in Google Drive after all these years by quickthrower2 on Monday June 26, 2023 @08:37AM (#36478931)
docx is pretty portable as it goes. getting stuff converted (downsampled; in a sense) to markdown is easy enough.