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Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by bourneavent on Thursday June 22, 2023 @10:12PM (#36441989)
The problem is you end up paying More for what you want because what you want doesn't align with everyone else. These cars are massed produced, so anything deviating from the popular norm ends up becoming custom and costing more, even if the custom design is less complex then the popular design.

Given that everyone else wants those bells and whistles, ironically you get more by paying less which means logically more bells and whistles is the better deal.

A logical person would in turn want the cars with "too much stuff". That is unless you're willing to pay more for less stuff.

Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by lamontcg on Thursday June 22, 2023 @10:20PM (#36442042)
> Given that everyone else wants those bells and whistles

I'd argue that almost nobody else wants all those bells and whistles, but most people want a couple of them. So you wind up with all of them, because people will walk away from a vehicle that doesn't have what they want more than walk away from a vehicle that has too many things they don't.

Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by shepherdjerred on Thursday June 22, 2023 @11:15PM (#36442367)
I like/use all of the features that the parent listed. There are _some_ dumb features, on my car, but most of them I quite like and are a large part of why I bought my car and not a cheaper model/trim.
Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by vel0city on Friday June 23, 2023 @01:20AM (#36443100)
Almost nobody wants power windows?
Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by vkou on Friday June 23, 2023 @04:16AM (#36444171)
Or Bluetooth. Or not having to deal with a clutch. Or a window defroster. Or a rear-window wiper. Or cruise control...

I could go on. :)

Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by lamontcg on Friday June 23, 2023 @12:12PM (#36448876)
My 2000 Ranger has just about all of those. Those clearly aren't the features that are causing QC issues in 2023 models.
Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by vkou on Friday June 23, 2023 @11:25PM (#36455209)
No, but I'm sure they were causing QC issues in earlier models, before auto manufacturers figured them out.
Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by aitchnyu on Friday June 23, 2023 @06:49AM (#36445149)
Mirrors the justification for big software: most people use 20% of the features, but that 20% is different for different people.
Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by lamontcg on Friday June 23, 2023 @12:43PM (#36449302)
Yeah, the analogy to something like Microsoft Office or whatever is pretty straightforwards.
Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by brewdad on Friday June 23, 2023 @05:50PM (#36452618)
And manufacturers have gotten really good at spreading the most popular features among multiple upgrade packages. You want heated seats and blind-spot monitoring? That's going to be two separate packages that include tons of features you don't really want.

There might be an option to only add the two specific features but that means a custom order that will take months to arrive and probably won't end up saving you much money anyway.

Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by ktosobcy on Thursday June 22, 2023 @10:31PM (#36442119)
Nah... it's like with dumb SUVs - do you think that everyone wants them? Or the demad was created because it was better for the makers to make them (with relatively lower increase in cost they can charge more for the end product)? Tied with and thanks to Corporate Average Fuel Economy…

In my circle I don't know anyone wanting "infotainmant" - just a regular car to which I can connect my mobile hassle-free without dumb TV screen smack in the middle of the car...

Same goes for mobile phones - most of the people I know want to have regular sized phones (~5-5,5") but now... it's easier to smack ~7" screen to the roof-tile (that they call "phone") and sell at a premium...

Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by RajT88 on Thursday June 22, 2023 @10:36PM (#36442146)
> do you think that everyone wants them?

SUV's are very popular among women - 43% of buyers. The industry research says that women feel safer driving them - the size makes them feel more protected, and the ride height lets them see the road much better. (Lest it go unsaid, women are on average less tall than men)

These are the reasons my wife cites preferring her Honda Pilot to her previous cars.

Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by asfgioandfionio on Thursday June 22, 2023 @11:31PM (#36442461)
I'm sure nothing I have to say is news, but it bears repeating that the common excuses for driving an SUV are either selfish or irrational.

The only advantage SUVs offer in safety is that they're likely to flatten the other car in a crash. The characteristics of an SUV make safety worse—they handle badly, tend to roll, and their design is unsafe to pedestrians or cyclists—so buying an SUV makes the roads as a whole less safe. It's a negative-sum arms race.

SUVs have atrocious visibility, and this has its cost in blood. They are so high off the ground it's impossible to see what is near to the vehicle. Thousands of children are injured every year from drivers not seeing them over the hood. Hundreds are killed. This kind of incident has a name: the frontover.

SUVs are a major cause of poor visibility. The need to see over other cars mainly exists because cars are so stupidly tall. Buying an SUV to see over other SUVs is another negative-sum arms race.

Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by JimtheCoder on Thursday June 22, 2023 @11:37PM (#36442496)
When I'm driving on the road, I'm totally cool with being selfish.

Driving is statistically one of the most dangerous things we do in life, and someone else being drunk/high/distracted/overly tired can end your life, or the life of a loved one, in an instant.

I don't feel bad driving a larger vehicle than other people. I will prioritize my safety.

Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by asfgioandfionio on Friday June 23, 2023 @12:36AM (#36442823)
I understand being afraid of a car crash. I can understand doing the wrong thing out of fear. Driving an SUV is wrong, but hardly an unforgivable sin.

But I don't think you can be let off that easy. You seem to have come up with some way to technically admit you are in the wrong without really confronting it. What is "totally cool" supposed to mean? Does being "totally cool" with something mean it is moral, or does it just mean you don't feel angry about it? Why would you defend a decision based on whether or not it makes you "feel bad"? These words are weaselly. They dismiss the moral element of your actions without really addressing it.

If you're in the right, prove it. If you're in the wrong, admit it.

Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by GMoromisato on Friday June 23, 2023 @01:34AM (#36443188)
That's not how it works. You can't prove morality the way you can prove math. Not unless everyone involved accepts an infallible point of reference, like a book or a pope--and even then there are differences in interpretation.

All moral questions, like, "is it moral to drive an SUV?", are variants of the Trolley Problem. Whichever choice you make ends up hurting some people and helping some others. But different people have different moral axioms about how to calculate the balance of that equation.

For example, I could probably save 5 people right now by sacrificing myself and giving away my organs. The fact that I don't means that I value my own life more than those of 5 strangers.

In the same way, driving an SUV to reduce one's own risk is not surprising.

Your own morality may lead you to different choices. That's OK. My whole point is that there is no "correct" morality.

You can try to convince others to adopt your morality (which we call "proselytizing"); you can say that some beliefs are unpopular in this society (and thus demonized); you can even look down on people who don't share your morality (we all know people like that). But you can't say that they are objectively wrong. That's not how morality works.

Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by inconceivable on Friday June 23, 2023 @01:46AM (#36443254)
it makes me happy that every time i get into my truck, someone like you gets upset.
Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by kofejnik on Friday June 23, 2023 @01:56AM (#36443309)
Don’t fall off your high horse
Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by mym1990 on Friday June 23, 2023 @01:05AM (#36443011)
The problem is that a good chunk of those drunk/high/distracted/overly tired are in the same type of vehicle, and cause disproportionate damage to those who do not or cannot afford a similar sized tank. Your point is a valid one, and I think it is more of a reflection of failure on the end of car companies and legislation...
Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by flagrant_taco on Friday June 23, 2023 @01:19AM (#36443093)
Wouldn't the failure there be with the drunk/high/dusts/tired driver? Car companies are in the business of selling whatever makes shareholders the most money, and you can't legislature away bad decisions.
Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by dragonwriter on Friday June 23, 2023 @01:45AM (#36443250)
> Car companies are in the business of selling whatever makes shareholders the most money, and you can't legislature away bad decisions.

You can ”legislature away” socially bad decisions, at least at scale, by sufficiently shifting incentives. You can also “legislature them in” the same way.

E.g., you can create a light truck loophole in safety and economy regulations nominally intended, but not carefully bounded, to exempt vehicles with commercial use, and thereby incentivize manufacturers to expend enormous resources on propaganda to create demand for a new class of personal vehicles that fit into that loophole, shifting the market so that even after the loopholes don’t work the same way, the demand remains.

Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by flagrant_taco on Friday June 23, 2023 @08:09AM (#36445732)
My point wasn't that legislation has no impact, of course it can move the needle. Many people will follow the rules simply because they prefer to, and others will because the legal punishment is enough of a deterant.

My point was that jumping from some people have wrecks because they drive drunk/high/distracted/tired to we need more legislation doesn't make any sense. If we want to inform the public of the risks of driving impaired we absolutely can do that, it doesn't require laws and punishment to help educate people.

Assuming we can legislate away bad decisions is effectively agreeing that we'd prefer the state is powerful enough to take away any decision we may want to make but that they disagree with. Why not just expect the government to help research the risks and inform us, trusting us to make the best decision for ourselves?

Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by mym1990 on Friday June 23, 2023 @11:09AM (#36447906)
I don't think the assumption is that government is legislating away anything. The decisions are still up to the people, but the reward or consequence will be the byproduct of the legislation. Get a DUI, lose your license for 10 years. Have an incredibly good driving record, get great benefits(not the 5% off your insurance premium).
Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by sofixa on Friday June 23, 2023 @03:12AM (#36443790)
> and you can't legislature away bad decisions.

Of course you can. Seatbelts and airbags don't sell cars nor make shareholders money, they're only there because they were forced by legislation.

Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by flagrant_taco on Friday June 23, 2023 @07:58AM (#36445637)
At best that legislatures away the car makers' bad decision of selling cars without seat belts and airbags.

My point was that you can't legislate away drivers' bad decisions. At best you can leverage the fact that many people would rather follow the rules, and that punishment will compel more to comply.

Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Friday June 23, 2023 @09:54AM (#36446845)
Yes, we are all helpless and changing anything is just too hard to actually do. 100 people die every day in car accidents, but literally nothing can be done about this without changing something so that means literally nothing can be done.

I'm kinda really fucking sick of this particular American mindset towards cars, school shootings, gerrymandering, corporate greed, and basically everything else that sucks about our society.

Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by flagrant_taco on Friday June 23, 2023 @05:59PM (#36452701)
I never said nothing can be done. I'm raising the view that solutions, and even government intervention, doesn't have to mean legislation.

Research and education is a huge help, for example. What I can't get behind is the idea that we're all such helpless children than only government punishment can keep us from ruining everything. What happens when the authority given to that government lands in the hands of a person or pay with whom you fundamentally disagree?

Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by mym1990 on Friday June 23, 2023 @11:07AM (#36447861)
Of course the ultimate accountability would be with the driver, but a) there is little to no accountability left on the road anymore and b) changing widespread behavior patterns is usually a top down thing. You can certainly legislate in a way that either rewards or punishes types of behavior(good/bad driving), or nudges car makers to scale down models/increase safety. Higher gas prices were enough to get me out of a big truck.
Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by flagrant_taco on Friday June 23, 2023 @06:02PM (#36452736)
Similar to a separate thread here, I just can't get behind the idea that we as a society are helpless without governments "nudging" us in what they see as the right direction.

First and foremost we need to educate or population better, but from there the government should rarely need to go beyond good faith research and trusting it's people to generally make the best decision for themselves.

Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by martin8412 on Friday June 23, 2023 @09:13AM (#36446388)
As I recall, the car driven by the highest percentage of drunk drivers caught is the RAM 1500.
Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by acidioxide on Friday June 23, 2023 @01:57AM (#36443317)
That attitude is the exact reason roads in the U.S. are much less safe. Cars are oversized, heavy and completely lethal for any pedestrians or cyclists. It's just a very dangerous trend that will cause more people to die.
Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by bluecalm on Friday June 23, 2023 @02:22AM (#36443487)
Idk why you're being downvoted. It's well documented and obvious fact that SUVs and tracks are lethal to pedestrians and cyclists because of their hostile low visibility design.

By choosing to drive those in populated areas you're signalling a total disregard for lives of others.

Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by cmcaleer on Friday June 23, 2023 @02:04AM (#36443367)
Personally I rather die than kill a child, and SUVs are far worse in that regard. Despite making up 15% of accidents in this[1] study, they represent 25% of fatal accidents. A child is 8 times more likely to die if struck by an SUV according to the same study. Empirically, SUV front blind spots are crazy and if you have a young child ask them to stand in front of your car with measuring tape while you’re in it. Very easy to imagine pulling out without seeing them and crushing them to death. The problem is even worse if you have a short partner. I felt blind when I drove my dad’s.

Even if we go for the selfish perspective, rollover rates for SUVs are intrinsically higher, and it looks like the Hilux in particular hasn’t bothered fixing this design flaw in 9 years[2]. And that additional braking distance can be the difference between a massive headache from rear ending, or worse.

Driving defensively will increase your odds of survival per mile far more than any additional metal will.

[1] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S00224...

[2] https://youtu.be/xoHbn8-ROiQ

Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by dzhiurgis on Friday June 23, 2023 @03:28AM (#36443865)
> I rather die than kill a child

FWIW you can always kill yourself after killing a child

Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by cmcaleer on Friday June 23, 2023 @11:12AM (#36447947)
I aim to not kill a child in my lifetime but I appreciate the heads up.
Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by orwin on Friday June 23, 2023 @11:27AM (#36448195)
And also, only 5% of all accidents are two rolling cars collisions, and a not small part of that are parking collision.

The average number of death per km was decreasing until covid in Europe and countries that did not buy into the SUV trends, but started increasing in the US in the early 2010s and correlate with the percentage of SUVs.

Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by bluecalm on Friday June 23, 2023 @02:19AM (#36443465)
That's we need regulation. We are slowly approaching "let's drive a tank" territory. SUVs make the world dangerous and scary for people outside of cars: pedestrians, cyclists, other small personal vehicles users.

It's very sad to see people being cool with that but I understand it's rational. You will likely not go to jail if you kill someone because of low visibility. The victim blaming culture will even try to convince you it's not your fault that you haven't seen a pedestrian or cyclist from the vehicle you have chosen to drive.

Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by dghlsakjg on Friday June 23, 2023 @09:41AM (#36446713)
The Sherman tank is shorter front to back than the current F-150.
Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Friday June 23, 2023 @09:58AM (#36446878)
> SUVs make the world dangerous and scary for people outside of cars: pedestrians, cyclists, other small personal vehicles users.

Unfortunately the way a lot of American culture works means that this is actually the desired outcome. Cars today are basically advertised on their pedestrian killing prowess and, unsurprisingly, have even been used as weapons of terror quite frequently recently.

Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by ktosobcy on Friday June 23, 2023 @05:04PM (#36452128)
My annoyance with it is that this mentality is exported outside. I'm "totaly cool" with Americans driving tanks on the roads and killing each other, I'm not fine having to deal with this shaite outside of the USA...
Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by poulsbohemian on Friday June 23, 2023 @02:30AM (#36443548)
>the common excuses for driving an SUV are either selfish or irrational.

I don’t know if you’d call my Subaru an SUV or not, but daily I’m transporting multiple kids, a cello, football gear, groceries, various things for work - there are lots of reasons why people need larger vehicles.

Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by carlmr on Friday June 23, 2023 @04:15AM (#36444161)
Most SUVs don't have extra space inside though. You could transport the same in your average station wagon as in your average SUV, often even more.
Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by asfgioandfionio on Friday June 23, 2023 @09:59AM (#36446894)
A station wagon solves the same problems. People just think they're lame.
Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by greedo on Friday June 23, 2023 @02:26PM (#36450528)
I have a VW CC. Four door sedan with huge trunk space. I've driven cross country multiple times, hauled lumber in it, 30 bags of mulch, you name it. The idea that you need an SUV to carry a lot of stuff just doesn't match reality.
Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by pirate787 on Friday June 23, 2023 @07:29AM (#36445404)
The other major safety advantage of the SUV is in the single-car crash (hitting a tree, pole, etc). SUV weight provides a significant safety margin here. The single car crash is nearly 1/2 of all crashes and responsible for the majority of auto crash deaths!

Also, the newest SUVs have lower rollover death rates than the newest cars.

Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by greedo on Friday June 23, 2023 @02:28PM (#36450546)
How are you going to implement elevated crossings in a suburban neighborhood, where the soccer moms in their monster SUVs can't see squat, and routinely speed? Kids are crossing multiple places; we can barely get ADA type curb cuts at the crossings.

Oh, and "pedestrian airbags" only help you avoid hitting the windshield. On most trucks and SUVs you don't even make it that far. You're just squashed like roadkill on their grills.

Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by brewdad on Friday June 23, 2023 @06:06PM (#36452786)
I think the elevated crossing is the type where the crosswalk is raised and forms an effective speed bump requiring drivers to slow regardless of whether a pedestrian is present or not.

Something like this: https://goo.gl/maps/dmivYV7AzrDVmtBN6

Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by dragonwriter on Friday June 23, 2023 @01:33AM (#36443186)
> SUV's are very popular among women

Heavy marketing was done to make them popular, and once they reached a certain threshold, their size created an arms race, since they blocked visibility for everyone not also in an SUV.

Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by xyzelement on Friday June 23, 2023 @01:57AM (#36443313)
Disagree on the take. Was a small car fan until family. Now SUV fan because it makes loading the kids in and hauling their stuff that much easier.

Could survive with a Toyota Corolla? Definitely. Does the Highlander make life better? Yes.

Weird that heavy marketing would finally penetrate my brain the same year we had our first kid.

Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by dragonwriter on Friday June 23, 2023 @05:52AM (#36444758)
> Weird that heavy marketing would finally penetrate my brain the same year we had our first kid.

Nah, but that marketing, and the financial incentives which motivated it, and the arms race from a critical mass of larger vehicles affecting visibility because of it are why minivans and SUVs (the former popular first and then the latter later because of when each worked as a regulatory dodge) bevame the choice for those needs, which were once filled by station wagons.

I’m an SUV owner myself for very similar immediate reasons to the ones you cite. Nothing about that interferes with my ability to understand that the market context within which those preferences call for that result is a product of specific, well-documented interplay between regulation and profit-seeking business behavior over several decades.

Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by xyzelement on Friday June 23, 2023 @08:33AM (#36445978)
You sound like you know what you are talking about but I am not following. As a consumer I had a choice of vehicle (I could have bought a sedan or a station wagon or a minivan) and I picked what I wanted.
Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by dragonwriter on Friday June 23, 2023 @11:12AM (#36447956)
You are not following because you are looking only at your decision at the moment of buying, and not everyone else's decisions over the past 35-ish years that have shaped, (even if we assume for a minute that the massive marketing investment has had no direct impact on your personal preferences):

1. The set of vehicles on the road and thus what your experience in different vehicles will be like, e.g., in terms of road visibility, and

2. The mix of specific vehicle models and features of each that are actually manufactured and available at the time you made thaf decision.

Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by vel0city on Friday June 23, 2023 @09:12AM (#36446376)
> Now SUV fan because it makes loading the kids in

You know what is even easier for loading kind in a vehicle? Sliding doors.

Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by twothamendment on Friday June 23, 2023 @09:39AM (#36446699)
As uncool as they are, as a former minivan owner they are the most practical thing ever. From hauling kids to hitting home Depot for some DIY (with the rear seats removed), having two sliding doors and being able to swallow 4x8 sheets or a washing machine -they are hard to beat.
Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by xyzelement on Friday June 23, 2023 @11:09AM (#36447893)
(person you are replying to)

I agree. I was "indifferent" between the Highlander and the Sienna which is its minivan counterpart.

The funny thing is for all the hate the SUVs get for being big and heavy, the Sienna is slightly bigger and heavier.

Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by acidioxide on Friday June 23, 2023 @01:53AM (#36443290)
It is ironic because SUVs have much worse visibility, especially right in front / back of the car.
Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by yourusername on Friday June 23, 2023 @03:08AM (#36443762)
All modern cars have terrible visibility due to improved crash standards (wider A and C pillars).
Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by fooker on Friday June 23, 2023 @12:08PM (#36448820)
Honest question: do you actually drive a car on a regular basis?

I have only seen this claim made by people who don't.

Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by pers0n on Friday June 23, 2023 @07:25AM (#36445373)
I use my suv as a cheap truck. I’ve hauled a lot of furniture and other stuff with the back seats down.
Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by kps on Friday June 23, 2023 @09:14AM (#36446401)
I do the same with my Honda Fit. Desks, doors, 2×4s, bicycle, 44U rack… It's true I can't fit a whole sheet of plywood, but most SUVs have the same skinny-door problem.
Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by ktosobcy on Friday June 23, 2023 @05:07PM (#36452157)
I've done the same with Hyundai i30cw (wagon/combi)... SUVs don't have more spece, it's mostly just an impression...
Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by ktosobcy on Friday June 23, 2023 @04:58PM (#36452080)
> and the ride height lets them see the road much better.

Ah... and then everyone will get a SUV with similar mentality and then we will get SUV-extra even higher and "sturdier" to feel even safer?

FFS... world is not hostile, riding in compact city-car is not harmful. At best it's the mentality that "everything outside wants to kill me" o_O Get a tank maybe?

Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by lolinder on Friday June 23, 2023 @01:32AM (#36443177)
> most of the people I know want to have regular sized phones (~5-5,5") but now... it's easier to smack ~7" screen to the roof-tile (that they call "phone") and sell at a premium...

This has to do with the power they're trying to cram into the phones. We've pretty much gotten transistors as small as we can, but manufacturers still need to sell new phones and the way they've done that for years is increase compute and camera power.

Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by ktosobcy on Friday June 23, 2023 @05:10PM (#36452200)
AFAIR the CPU/APU size is quite small. What takes quite a lot of space is battery. And because things are less and less optimize we need more computing power which needs more juice. What's more - bigger screens require more power as well.

Why those big phones popular? Because CPU efficiency doesn't sell well but number do, so we have a race: more storage, more ram, more MP camera... and bigger screen. Those are the most visible and easiest to adjust things. And many people associate size with being "better"...

Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by brnaftr361 on Thursday June 22, 2023 @10:25PM (#36442067)
Does everyone else want those bells and whistles or have we come into that impression through some misinterpretation? I don't know anybody that wants all that shit. For those who do, upon the misadventure whereupon they are informed of the costs of overcomplicating I suspect there is a large proportion of people who won't want it in short order. I also suspect a large contingent of people who buy into the marketing and upon facing reality, are silently disappointed. And finally people who are somehow insensitive to cost, and disappointment.
Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by Tagbert on Friday June 23, 2023 @01:49AM (#36443272)
most people want a significant portion of those features but not everyone wants the same set of features. As a result all features as wanted by a significant portion of the customers.
Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by enigma20 on Friday June 23, 2023 @02:51AM (#36443660)
Not completely. Adaptive cruise control is becoming more common. Some Toyota's have it in all versions for some models. Mercedes A class you have to pay additionally for the basic models.
Re:Quality of new vehicles in US declining on more tech use by greedo on Friday June 23, 2023 @02:21PM (#36450468)
This is why there are so many white cars being made and delivered to dealerships in the US. With production still extremely constrained, manufacturers are just limiting what colorways they ship. They know anything new will sell since the lots are so empty, and buyers will just take whatever comes in the latest shipment. Having been new car shopping (and ended up buying used), I'm amazed at how much the car buying process has changed for new cars. You used to be able to order a color and trimline, with factory options without any issues. Now dealers laugh at you and say "Here's what the factory MIGHT send us in the next 6 months. Want to put down a deposit?"

The only thing I like about this change is that there seems to be far less high pressure sales going on.