> My overall take on this is people have a weird relationship with reddit.

Alternative explanation: Users may not just roll over when the platforms they've invested countless hours into start abusing them.

How is Reddit abusing them? By charging $0.24 for 1000 API requests? By enforcing year old rules they created because mods power tripped and users complained?

I mean, maybe the outward hostility?

- https://gizmodo.com/reddit-ceo-steve-huffman-moderators-land...

- https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/reddit-protest-blacko...

Or the absolutely abysmal and tonedeaf responses every chance they had?

- https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit/comments/145bram/addressing_...

- https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/9/23755640/reddit-api-change...

- https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/15/23762501/reddit-ceo-steve...

Or the easily disproven libel? https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/143sho8/admins_c...

That's been doubled and tripled down on? https://techcrunch.com/2023/06/09/reddit-ceo-doubles-down-on...

Or literally changing or removing user's posts and comments? https://www.reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/14fafpp/the_admin...

That all sounds abusive to me. If anything, the API price was the straw and focusing on it and ignoring literally everything that happened since is just being disingenuous.

Making apps effectively unusable after also making the mobile website effectively unusable is very bad behavior to your users.

Not sure how much choice the users have in whether reddit rolls them.

They have the choice to not be users anymore.

Which seems like a bad option for Reddit, given that their only value proposition is that they have a lot of users.

The choice they have is in whether they're around at all to be rolled.

this isn't really costing users anything, unless "time spent on Reddit" is considered a good.

Users don't care, they just want to keep browsing reddit.

Power-tripping mods are the ones trying to tank the subreddits.

The communities that actually ask the users for feedback on what they want tend to all be back to normal.

First, mods are the group of people who are most impacted by Reddit's proposed changes, so of course they're going to be more vocal about this than the average user.

Second, are you arguing that mods aren't also users?

Users do care. Reddit has been going through enshittification for years and this most recent change is the straw that broke the camels back. I don't know why there's so many Reddit shills on Hackernews pretending like it's just power-tripping moderators. It isn't. It's a huge subset of the Reddit community who've been using it for over a decade who are so sick of how bad it's gotten. It's obvious old.reddit is next; because Reddit was able to bust this protest, they do it again, and again.

Moderators of always-private subs, such as test or personal subs, have also received these messages.

https://old.reddit.com/r/ModSupport/comments/14faqrt/is_redd...

Same for always-NSFW.

https://old.reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/14fjbtt/our_subre...

Note that "private" has two meanings here.

Private, as in a personal subreddit that can be read by others but not posted to.

And private in the sense that the subreddit is not viewable to the world at large.

In this case, the subreddit was previously "private-as-in-personal", but not "private-as-in-not-viewable". Following the Reddit Strike, I'd taken it private-as-in-not-viewable.

As my Fediverse toot notes, I'd been very aware that Reddit could reclaim the subreddit according to its rules then in place. The pinned posts on the sub, for 2 and 3 years respectively as of this past February, discussed that amongst other concerns. The Wayback Machine shows those here:

<https://web.archive.org/web/20220224161047/https://old.reddi...>

One of those posts specifically addressed my preferences for how my subreddit should allowed to die and rest in ... ouch, typo, "piece". That post received an admin response saying that it would be a good candidate for just that.

<https://web.archive.org/web/20230612102634/https://old.reddi...>

(I'm OP in the event it's not obvious.)

> My overall take on this is people have a weird relationship with reddit.

Yeah, and most recently we're seeing mostly one side. Reddit needs mods. But mods need Reddit. And both need users. Take any one of those three things away and the whole thing doesn't really work.

Is there a social media platform people don't have a weird relationship with?

Based on comments I've seen, they didn't even try that hard - they're just automatically messaging mods of all private subreddits. People with subs that have been private for years are receiving messages.

great way to build confidence that reddit hears the users and promises features: use a horribly coded automated reply.

I have an old sub-reddit I haven't used in years back from when they allowed you to use a CNAME to point a sub-reddit and get a custom "front-page" where I would share links I found interesting.

I got the same modmail message, even though I barely have 20 subscribers to that sub-reddit and it has been private since they dropped CNAME for a sub-reddit support.