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Re:Former US SEC attorney: 'Get out of crypto platforms now' by _jab on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @02:50PM (#36408707)
I mean, is he wrong? Genuinely the only other application I’ve seen which seems plausible is for use in places like Venezuela where the official currency is worthless.
Re:Former US SEC attorney: 'Get out of crypto platforms now' by wongarsu on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @03:03PM (#36408908)
Well, you just said that's he's wrong. One "killer application" is that it's a "stable" store of value. Not perfectly stable, it can quickly fall by a factor of about 2, and if you buy in the worst bubble it might fall to a fourth of its value. That's decidedly less stable than Western currencies, but it's more stable than some others. And for many people Bitcoin is more accessible than the foreign exchange market. It also tends to rise in value over sufficiently long time scales.

The other use is providing online payments to people who aren't in the banking system. The banking system requires trust, and shuts untrustworthy people out - both at the level of individuals and entire regions. Bitcoin eliminates the need for trust (on the monetary layer) and can thus reach more people.

Both are great applications. They are largely irrelevant in the West because only a tiny fraction of us experience those problems, but that doesn't mean they don't exist elsewhere.

Re:Former US SEC attorney: 'Get out of crypto platforms now' by misnome on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @03:28PM (#36409238)
So, it’s stable as long as you understand it is unstable, and helps people without access to banking but with a stable, constant internet connection and perfect operational security, access none of the benefits of having a bank account.

Oh, and it’s actually neither of those but if you wish _reaaaaly_ hard and ignore all the practical problems, it might be, someday.

Re:Former US SEC attorney: 'Get out of crypto platforms now' by wongarsu on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @03:56PM (#36409616)
In absolute terms it's not stable, in relative terms it can be. If you gave me the choice between storing my money in Bitcoin or Turkish Lira I would choose Bitcoin every time. If I have the option to use USD instead the answer is different.

> helps people without access to banking but with a stable, constant internet connection and perfect operational security

You don't need constant internet connection unless you are mining or want to verify a payment right now. And mobile internet and smartphones are surprisingly prevalent in the third world (and among homeless in the first world).

Re:Former US SEC attorney: 'Get out of crypto platforms now' by Eisenstein on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @05:03PM (#36410575)
So, you need a worker and I offer to day labor for you. At the end of the day, how do I get paid in bitcoin?
Re:Former US SEC attorney: 'Get out of crypto platforms now' by jrm4 on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @04:58PM (#36410469)
You're overdramatizing.

Maybe not a lot, but people literally do use it for this purpose everyday. You can't just wave that away, given that it is working to some extent now.

Re:Former US SEC attorney: 'Get out of crypto platforms now' by yourabstraction on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @05:52PM (#36411204)
But it’s still a store of value. No store of value is perfect, USD will lose value over time to inflation, stock indices are subject to volatility, gold is subject to theft and volatility, other foreign currencies are subject to government corruption and hyper inflation, fine art is subject to fraud and damage, etc.

So as a store of value Bitcoin actually has a good track record and is trending towards lower volatility as adoption grows.

People really need to stop thinking in absolute terms regarding value storage. It’s analogous to energy storage. Batteries leak energy over time, but we don’t sit around yelling about how they are not stores of energy.

Re:Former US SEC attorney: 'Get out of crypto platforms now' by bluescrn on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @02:58PM (#36408825)
Other uses include local crimes and national crimes. They don't have to be global...

Oh, and gambling/speculating of course.

Re:Former US SEC attorney: 'Get out of crypto platforms now' by FormerBandmate on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @03:12PM (#36409004)
There's nothing wrong with gambling, and it could eventually become a currency that could replace the dollar. It won't, but it could
Re:Former US SEC attorney: 'Get out of crypto platforms now' by favorited on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @05:17PM (#36410775)
When I put a dollar in a vending machine, I don't want to wait an hour for the soda to come out the bottom.
Re:Former US SEC attorney: 'Get out of crypto platforms now' by uLogMicheal on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @02:51PM (#36408734)
Yep, the only use cases for decentralized, programmable monetary systems are criminal. /s
Re:Former US SEC attorney: 'Get out of crypto platforms now' by 2OEH8eoCRo0 on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @03:02PM (#36408887)
He didn't say that, he said it's the killer app. It's the only value add over traditional finance.
Re:Former US SEC attorney: 'Get out of crypto platforms now' by surgical_fire on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @03:14PM (#36409029)
This, but without the "/s"
Re:Former US SEC attorney: 'Get out of crypto platforms now' by xwdv on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @02:55PM (#36408783)
Technically, since the Venezuelan government doesn’t want people laundering money with crypto, most people there are likely committing crimes and tax evasion with it.
Re:Former US SEC attorney: 'Get out of crypto platforms now' by uLogMicheal on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @03:02PM (#36408889)
Or trying to escape inflation/corruption? Please look into how the government there has brutally mismanaged their currency. People are suffering there because of monetary policy, empathy is a good practice.
Re:Former US SEC attorney: 'Get out of crypto platforms now' by xwdv on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @07:27PM (#36412196)
The law is the law.
Re:Former US SEC attorney: 'Get out of crypto platforms now' by thatguy0900 on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @02:53PM (#36408768)
Well you don't seem to have any other examples of things that can't be done with fiat
Re:Former US SEC attorney: 'Get out of crypto platforms now' by uLogMicheal on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @02:57PM (#36408806)
You comment this as many major central banks are conducting trial / rollout plans for CBDC. I prefer the decentralized side of cryptocurrency where the rules, censorship, and supply is transparent and limited.
Re:Former US SEC attorney: 'Get out of crypto platforms now' by bruce511 on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @03:16PM (#36409060)
You are not alone. There are lots of folk who have your opinion. You are of course free to have it.

That doesn't change the fact that the only killer app is criminal activity. Of course you -can- do non-criminal things with it, but frankly as a currency it's terrible. It's way too volatile, and transactions are both too expensive and too slow.

I get the goals - decentralisation, limited money supply (which in theory is supposed to limit inflation, but doesn't) and so on. Unfortunately the volatility dwarfs any inflation hedging etc. It's also super-risky right now, so I recommend holding your own coins. Not your keys not your money.

Sure it's different. Sure it's idealistic. But it's also, well, a terrible currency.

Which means mostly it serves as a nice way to do criminal transactions.

Re:Former US SEC attorney: 'Get out of crypto platforms now' by FormerBandmate on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @03:05PM (#36408928)
Banks work fine now for payments. The only real advantage of crypto over CBDC is that you can more easily sell drugs and guns. No one is losing their bank account for donating to Donald Trump
Re:Former US SEC attorney: 'Get out of crypto platforms now' by uLogMicheal on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @03:24PM (#36409179)
https://www.npr.org/2023/06/12/1181675580/epstein-jane-doe-1...

This was done in USD. Maybe crime wouldn't be whitelist only on a transparent blockchain and that is what is feared? Money is the root of most activity in this world, criminal or good. Transparent transactions bring all crime into the spotlight and for some that is problematic.

Re:Former US SEC attorney: 'Get out of crypto platforms now' by api on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @02:54PM (#36408775)
He's not entirely correct. Crime is a major application but by far the largest use case for crypto is "investing" (gambling) in crypto.
Re:Former US SEC attorney: 'Get out of crypto platforms now' by dismalpedigree on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @02:57PM (#36408805)
Like being famous for being famous!
Re:Former US SEC attorney: 'Get out of crypto platforms now' by uLogMicheal on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @02:58PM (#36408820)
The number one facilitator of crime/gambling is USD, might want to check your facts.
Re:Former US SEC attorney: 'Get out of crypto platforms now' by misnome on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @03:55PM (#36409606)
On the topic of checking facts, is gambling/crime the number one use of USD, which is the equivalent statement?
Re:Former US SEC attorney: 'Get out of crypto platforms now' by HDThoreaun on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @04:14PM (#36409842)
non-sequitor. The question is what bitcoins use is, not how crimes are most often facilitated.
Re:Former US SEC attorney: 'Get out of crypto platforms now' by vore on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @05:52PM (#36411192)
You are intentionally reversing the direction of the claim to be disingenuous here. By your logic, the number one facilitator of crime/gambling is also breathing air and drinking water, might want to check your facts.
Re:Former US SEC attorney: 'Get out of crypto platforms now' by vaxintar on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @02:59PM (#36408841)
For some people crypto is the only way to keep their wealth away from the hands of faulty and corrupt governments.
Re:Former US SEC attorney: 'Get out of crypto platforms now' by tyre on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @03:02PM (#36408880)
Given that almost all of that is violates securities laws, this still fits.
Re:Former US SEC attorney: 'Get out of crypto platforms now' by Semaphor on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @03:04PM (#36408926)
I don’t know, I’m relatively certain securities laws do not affect me.
Re:Former US SEC attorney: 'Get out of crypto platforms now' by uLogMicheal on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @03:13PM (#36409023)
US securities law effects all US citizens. In current state, they act as a moat for the most profitable investments in society. People claim that securities laws are there to prevent grandmas from getting scammed, but grandmas (and many others) still get scammed on the daily. I would rather them lose $5,000 from investing into a high profit potential startup that could 1000x, instead of a call center in a distant country. US securities laws are geared to give the privileged private knowledge and prevent the poor from getting wealthy in their current state.
Re:Former US SEC attorney: 'Get out of crypto platforms now' by Semaphor on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @10:27PM (#36413638)
> all US citizens

Yes.