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Re:We need more of Richard Stallman, not less by Dalewyn on Monday June 19, 2023 @08:07AM (#36390105)
>FSF to broaden its view and recruit more diverse people, candidates who did not want to give a complete allegiance to RMS were discarded in the first steps of the process.

If this is "diverse" as in the political sense, I am glad RMS passively blocked them. Nothing good comes from pursuing "diversity".

And before anyone calls me a white supremacist: I'm Japanese, specifically a Japanese-American not that that should mean anything. People should be judged for their character and merit, not what color their skin is or whether they have a vajayjay or whether they exhibit rightspeak.

Re:We need more of Richard Stallman, not less by maxehmookau on Monday June 19, 2023 @08:11AM (#36390139)
> Nothing good comes from pursuing "diversity".

Eesh. Nothing? Not one good thing comes from encouraging a diversity of people?

> People should be judged for their character and merit,

Yeah, they should. But they're not. Because humans are inherently biased, even when they don't mean to be.

Re:We need more of Richard Stallman, not less by Dalewyn on Monday June 19, 2023 @08:15AM (#36390184)
>Eesh. Nothing? Not one good thing comes from encouraging a diversity of people?

Nope, why would I want to be deliberately racist, sexist, or whatever else discriminatory? Why would doing so lead to anything good?

>Yeah, they should. But they're not. Because humans are inherently biased, even when they don't mean to be.

That isn't an excuse, though.

Re:We need more of Richard Stallman, not less by welshwelsh on Monday June 19, 2023 @09:26AM (#36390826)
I take issue with the idea that diversity is about things like skin color and gender. Even if a group is all of the same race, gender, language, income and nationality, they can still be incredibly diverse when it comes to their views and experiences related to free software.

If we wanted to encourage diversity in the free software space, we should make sure every type of free software user feels welcome. Not just Linux users, but also BSD users, as well as folks who use Windows or MacOS but enjoy free software like Blender.

Of course, free software naturally has a greater appeal to tech-savvy computer users and software developers, which is a group that is overrepresented by Americans, English speakers, men and white people, mostly due to economic reasons. But these characteristics have nothing to do with free software, and there is already a diverse range of viewpoints and user profiles within the free software space.

Re:We need more of Richard Stallman, not less by seabass-labrax on Monday June 19, 2023 @12:39PM (#36393113)
I agree that those groups are majorities, but I personally think it's more about language than money - or at least, it will be for the generation getting into computing now. You don't need too much money now to buy a computer capable of running modern software. If you can muster 50 US dollars you're basically there. However, English is so prevalent in software that Germans in the industry typically speak to each other in English rather than German!
Re:We need more of Richard Stallman, not less by pydry on Monday June 19, 2023 @08:11AM (#36390149)
Diversity in tech as a wideapread social movement was kicked off about ~7-8 years ago purely as an attempt to force down wages. They (tech CEOs) didn't particularly care about having more girl or black developers. They didnt care about freedom or equality. They just wanted more developers - and lower wages.

In the open source world big tech are trying to use the diversity as a way to cynically get representation for themselves. They hire people who hit their diversity quotas and then use them for open source outreach to get their voices amplified among the progressive minded who actually... write all that open source.

The people who would be pushed as candidates for open source boards (e.g. black people doing dev outreach for Microsoft/Google) are blameless (they need a job!) but they are still being used by rich white men to serve a mostly corporate agenda.

This isnt to say that we dont need more diversity, just that we should recognize when the shallow appearance of diversity is being cynically used as a corporate and political weapon by elites to push a regressive agenda.

This strategy is very similar to the one employed by one of the most racist countries on earth, although theyre more blatant and less implicit about their accusations. The strategy works very well, too - progressive minded people can be easily manipulated through guilt.

Re:We need more of Richard Stallman, not less by brookst on Monday June 19, 2023 @08:22AM (#36390238)
With apologies for language, thus is GPT-2 level bullshit.

Through the 1960's, the majority of computer science jobs were held by women[1].

Your worldview is not compatible with reality.

Re:We need more of Richard Stallman, not less by yawpitch on Monday June 19, 2023 @08:39AM (#36390390)
> Your worldview is not compatible with reality.

This.

Re:We need more of Richard Stallman, not less by pydry on Monday June 19, 2023 @09:10AM (#36390653)
So what? The corporate "more diversity in tech" movement started circa 2013, not in 1966.

You can even trace when it happened by clustering the awards given to Margaret Hamilton:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Hamilton_(software_...

Three in the 47 years between 1969 and 2016, Eight in the 7 years between 2016 and now.

Re:We need more of Richard Stallman, not less by iso1631 on Monday June 19, 2023 @08:21AM (#36390234)
Most people in computing were women originally. Look up who programmed Eniac. Look up who created the early compilers and who programmed univac. Look at who programmed the flight software for Apollo

The tech industry was built by women, then had their jobs stolen

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/02/19/women-buil...

Re:We need more of Richard Stallman, not less by anthk on Monday June 19, 2023 @08:47AM (#36390461)
Yes and no. Coding was a viewed as a "low skilled" job. Everything else, such as design and hard math was done by men.

The problem is that today the supposed CS skills are atrocious. Most self called "engineers" would be laughed at the rest of the world. And, if they dared to stay in an actual engineering job in Europe (with civil accountability) without a proper degree, they would end in jail if something really bad happened. Literally.

Re:We need more of Richard Stallman, not less by seabass-labrax on Monday June 19, 2023 @12:43PM (#36393176)
If you end up in jail due to 'civil accountability', you need a better lawyer! Personally, I don't believe such incarceration should be lawful, but it does happen from time to time. Causing harm by writing software can (and in my opinion should) be considered an offence as gross negligence, but that doesn't have anything to do with whether or not you hold a degree.
Re:We need more of Richard Stallman, not less by anthk on Monday June 19, 2023 @02:29PM (#36394836)
If you call yourself an engineer, you don't get an actual CS degree and some company hires you, on some hard accident you and your company would end in jail here.