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Re:Display brighter-than-white color on Apple devices by fifafu on Monday June 19, 2023 @07:49AM (#36389942)
This has been known for quite a while and can be used for arbitrary HTML elements with some CSS hacks. I'm suprised no "super bright" advertisements have shown up so far. https://kidi.ng/wanna-see-a-whiter-white/ (Safari only)

On macOS you can use apps like BetterDisplay, Vivid or BetterTouchTool to enable that HDR mode for the whole display, which makes it significantly easier to work outside. On iOS there is "Vivid Browser" - a browser that enables the HDR mode for the whole screen.

Re:Display brighter-than-white color on Apple devices by brookst on Monday June 19, 2023 @08:39AM (#36390391)
+1 to Vivid. Being able to work outdoors with a perfectly readable laptop has been life-changing.
Re:Display brighter-than-white color on Apple devices by asvitkine on Monday June 19, 2023 @09:29AM (#36390863)
Does it work on a laptop or so you mean iPad?
Re:Display brighter-than-white color on Apple devices by dmd on Monday June 19, 2023 @10:41AM (#36391577)
Works on my macbook.
Re:Display brighter-than-white color on Apple devices by agloe_dreams on Monday June 19, 2023 @10:44AM (#36391637)
Mini LED Laptops like the 14 inch Macbook Pro. Peak brightness is over 1000 nits but it is locked out by default except for HDR content.
Re:Display brighter-than-white color on Apple devices by verse on Monday June 19, 2023 @09:38AM (#36390966)
Doesn't that kill your battery though?
Re:Display brighter-than-white color on Apple devices by 130e13a on Monday June 19, 2023 @10:00AM (#36391182)
wouldn't it, in the long run, also lead to increased potential for screen damage?
Re:Display brighter-than-white color on Apple devices by epcoa on Monday June 19, 2023 @10:32AM (#36391482)
Short answer, probably not damage but it will shorten lifetime, possibly not meaningfully. It’s still running within spec. It will ever so slightly increase the risk of premature failure as running anything closer to its limits tends to do. White LEDs dim and color shift gradually as they age so it will cause it to dim/shift faster. On a good display this is still 10s of thousands of hours of operation which is many years.
Re:Display brighter-than-white color on Apple devices by jannes on Monday June 19, 2023 @08:15AM (#36390185)
I think many people learned this today. "Known to you" might not be the same as "known to everybody else" :)
Re:Display brighter-than-white color on Apple devices by fifafu on Monday June 19, 2023 @08:19AM (#36390211)
Yep! It's just me wondering why the advertising industry hasn't picked up on this, given that they are usually fast to exploit any possible browser feature/quirk to push their advertisements.
Re:Display brighter-than-white color on Apple devices by jannes on Monday June 19, 2023 @08:30AM (#36390301)
Probably Safari users aren't their top priority right now (after all the anti-tracking features that Apple added).
Re:Display brighter-than-white color on Apple devices by fifafu on Monday June 19, 2023 @08:34AM (#36390334)
I'd assume iOS is still one the most important markets for advertisers
Re:Display brighter-than-white color on Apple devices by 411111111111111 on Monday June 19, 2023 @10:55AM (#36391778)
That'd heavily depend on the target audience, safari's market share is tiny if it's global.

It should be pretty high if the target audience is US only and mainly the higher income brackets, however.

Re:Display brighter-than-white color on Apple devices by alwillis on Monday June 19, 2023 @11:33AM (#36392265)
2+ billion devices is not nothing.
Re:Display brighter-than-white color on Apple devices by 411111111111111 on Monday June 19, 2023 @12:06PM (#36392668)
Nobody said it's numerically few devices.

It's just a question of percentages, do you really want to implement something that increases the brightness of your advertisement on 2-5% of your global impressions?

Entirely different story if your advertisement is a high margin product sold on the american market, especially if it's appealing to teenagers/young adults. That'd probably be over 50% of impressions, though that's just me guessing the number.

Re:Display brighter-than-white color on Apple devices by llm_nerd on Monday June 19, 2023 @12:20PM (#36392852)
In the US (and many other countries) the iPhone dominates every demographic except I guess the very poor? The whole "teenagers" thing has never been true. Grandma has an iPhone.

However worldwide Safari accounts for over 30%+ of mobile device impressions. That is an absolutely enormous market. It tends to be the market with the most cash in almost all markets (I'm not trying to be a booster or start some mobile platform war, and yes Samsung devices are super expensive as well, but demographically you can go to almost any country -- Japan, Russia, India, Brazil, just about everywhere, and the top n% are dominated by iPhones).

If advertisers aren't exploiting it it's either ignorance, or more likely that the dominant ad networks know it will get the ads flagged as abusive and Apple will drop the hammer.

Re:Display brighter-than-white color on Apple devices by 411111111111111 on Monday June 19, 2023 @12:49PM (#36393263)
The discussion was about global ad impressions, which include desktop use and exclude devices with working adblockers.

Why are you suddenly quoting exaggerated mobile phone market share numbers in such a context?

Re:Display brighter-than-white color on Apple devices by llm_nerd on Monday June 19, 2023 @12:54PM (#36393366)
All apologies for being direct, but you seem to have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Your defensiveness about easily verified mobile metrics betrays your real intentions here.

Among all browser users, Safari accounts for a 20%+ marketshare (again, easily verified. I assume your metrics were either made up or you're just trolling?). Again almost entirely the people with the most money. Your hysterical claim that this is too small to bother with is a howler, but please keep on.

Re:Display brighter-than-white color on Apple devices by 411111111111111 on Monday June 19, 2023 @02:42PM (#36394997)
What are you even on about, I'm able to access the web metrics for my current employers consumer facing site which has single digit safari user agents, and I'm betting at least half of them will have enabled content blockers, though I don't have any metric for that.

It just depends on your target audience. Some demographics have miniscule apple presence, others have them as a majority. So, depending on your target audience, it might not be worth it. Especially because we're taking about a feature that will merely increase the brightness of the ad.

Don't interpret some idiotic agenda into a simple cost/reward speculation.

Fwiw, this comment was written on an iPhone whilst procrastinating from work. Which is coding on a MacBook pro whilst checking the resulting website on an iPad Air today. I'm even using AirPods Pro to listen to music...

Re:Display brighter-than-white color on Apple devices by dawnerd on Monday June 19, 2023 @12:28PM (#36392961)
We pixel push ads around and deal with single browser fixes so I’d say yes, advertisers do care and will spend the dev time if they think there’s any% rev increase.
Re:Display brighter-than-white color on Apple devices by fnordpiglet on Monday June 19, 2023 @12:51PM (#36393297)
I think your numbers are off by an order of magnitude :

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/iphone-ma...

Further as an advertiser I’m more interested in impressions weighted by free potential spend. A knock off device in Nigeria doesn’t factor into my calculations vs a top of the line iPhone in Norway. The latter just has more money to spend.

Re:Display brighter-than-white color on Apple devices by Schnitz on Monday June 19, 2023 @02:12PM (#36394579)
Isn’t this the sort of thing that would give Apple an excuse to detect ads and treat them differently? I’d avoid that if I were a big advertiser.
Re:Display brighter-than-white color on Apple devices by rollcat on Monday June 19, 2023 @03:48PM (#36395726)
Re:Display brighter-than-white color on Apple devices by taknil on Monday June 19, 2023 @10:14AM (#36391329)
I found out just a few days ago our company tries to be "super bright" in its banner ads with .img_ad:hover { -webkit-filter: brightness(120%);}
Re:Display brighter-than-white color on Apple devices by mastax on Monday June 19, 2023 @10:56AM (#36391779)
Great. Another feature that gets ruined by advertisers before it even gets used in earnest.
Re:Display brighter-than-white color on Apple devices by artificial on Monday June 19, 2023 @11:29AM (#36392214)
As browsers are user agents, perhaps a whitelist for which sites can use the feature?
Re:Display brighter-than-white color on Apple devices by prpl on Monday June 19, 2023 @11:33AM (#36392277)
pun intended?
Re:Display brighter-than-white color on Apple devices by bee_rider on Monday June 19, 2023 @11:45AM (#36392408)
“It’s 20% brighter, isn’t it?”
Re:Display brighter-than-white color on Apple devices by nyreed on Monday June 19, 2023 @12:49PM (#36393258)
But why not just make 100% brighter and make 100% be the top number and make that a little brighter?
Re:Display brighter-than-white color on Apple devices by mattkevan on Monday June 19, 2023 @01:23PM (#36393834)
…but this goes to 120%
Re:Display brighter-than-white color on Apple devices by spartanatreyu on Monday June 19, 2023 @09:06PM (#36398480)
For anyone who doesn't get the reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMSV4OteqBE
Re:Display brighter-than-white color on Apple devices by aendruk on Monday June 19, 2023 @01:20PM (#36393781)
Backwards compatibility
Re:Display brighter-than-white color on Apple devices by bee_rider on Monday June 19, 2023 @01:27PM (#36393926)
Ruining then bit with, honestly, a pretty good point.
Re:Display brighter-than-white color on Apple devices by e40 on Monday June 19, 2023 @10:45AM (#36391648)
> On macOS you can use apps like BetterDisplay, Vivid or BetterTouchTool to enable that HDR mode for the whole display

I have BTT and can't figure this out. Can you say how? Thanks.

Re:Display brighter-than-white color on Apple devices by anamexis on Monday June 19, 2023 @11:10AM (#36391939)
It's called "Toggle super brightness for current display," according to the changelog (3.756): https://updates.folivora.ai/bettertouchtool_release_notes.ht...
Re:Display brighter-than-white color on Apple devices by jaimehrubiks on Monday June 19, 2023 @10:52AM (#36391746)
I cannot find it either. I'll wait a bit if he replies, else I'll download one of the others but I love BTT because it bundles most of the things I know in a single app. I see the potential of this for working outside, specially now that summer is coming :)
Re:Display brighter-than-white color on Apple devices by fifafu on Monday June 19, 2023 @01:12PM (#36393664)
Search the actions for „super brightness“. However I did not spend too much time implementing this and this feature actually only uses public API in BTT. BetterDisplay (I’m not involved in that despite the name) is my favorite app to do this (and much more), but Lunar also seems great. I think they work on a lower level - BTT basically just creates a HDR enabled transparent window which fills the entire display(s), thereby activating the super brightness everywhere on the screen
Re:Display brighter-than-white color on Apple devices by n3storm on Monday June 19, 2023 @11:06AM (#36391895)
This can become an accesibility nightmare :_/
Re:Display brighter-than-white color on Apple devices by alin23 on Monday June 19, 2023 @11:12AM (#36391975)
Lunar developer here, I also use this trick to showcase Lunar's XDR Brightness: https://lunar.fyi/#xdr (which by the way, was the first app to get this feature before Vivid took over with clever Twitter marketing)

Some people will worry about battery and display longevity in the comments so I'll also leave some notes I wrote on this: https://lunar.fyi/faq#xdr-safe

TLDR: yes, battery and LED lifetime will take a hit.

It's a normal consequence of driving the LEDs to a higher voltage which uses more battery power and creates more LED heat.

macOS has an ABL (automatic brightness limiter) internally that will forcefully limit the voltage based on the amount of white pixels on the screen, and based on the generated heat. That ABL works at a lower level and cannot be bypassed by apps like Lunar or Vivid.

Also for the people wondering about BTT, look for the "Toggle super brightness" action.

Re:Display brighter-than-white color on Apple devices by jamwil on Monday June 19, 2023 @02:18PM (#36394670)
I love your app. Thanks for making it.
Re:Display brighter-than-white color on Apple devices by mort96 on Monday June 19, 2023 @12:19PM (#36392828)
What I don't get about Apple is, why aren't things like that available out of the box? Why do I need a third party tool to be able to increase my display brightness?
Re:Display brighter-than-white color on Apple devices by wwalexander on Monday June 19, 2023 @12:52PM (#36393331)
For the same reason your car has a rev limiter.
Re:Display brighter-than-white color on Apple devices by musicale on Monday June 19, 2023 @04:38PM (#36396174)
Battery life – a core feature of Apple devices that is also highlighted in their marketing.

If they unlocked it then Apple couldn't claim the same battery life, and would be subject to heavy penalties from the FTC for misleading advertising.

The CPU is also underclocked for both absolute power savings and better compute per watt efficiency.

Re:Display brighter-than-white color on Apple devices by mort96 on Monday June 19, 2023 @05:53PM (#36396938)
Honestly, that's pure bullshit. For my machine, Apple advertises 12 hours of web browsing. They document (with a footnote) that those 12 hours were measured with the brightness set to medium (8 steps). With the current available display options, you can set your display brightness to a value which makes it impossible to reach the advertised battery life, and the FTC obviously doesn't come after Apple for that. Why the hell would the FTC start coming after Apple if you could get even less battery time by cranking up the brightness even more?

I don't know what you mean by the CPU being "underclocked", these machines don't have Intel CPUs with a base clock you can compare against. But the MacBook Pro machines are certainly capable of draining their batteries very quickly if you try, and they get quite hot in the process. Because having a whole lot of CPU and GPU compute is the very point of the MacBook Pro line. The battery life while spinning all GPU and CPU cores at 100% is certainly not a core differentiator which is highlighted in their marketing.