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Re:Soviet Union sold titanium to US believing they needed it... by duxup on Sunday June 18, 2023 @06:17PM (#36385118)
Considering a pizza oven doesn’t require titanium… that’s a strange cover story.
Re:Soviet Union sold titanium to US believing they needed it... by satiric on Sunday June 18, 2023 @06:24PM (#36385157)
Forget wood fired pizza, titanium fired pizza has a way better flavor.

I wonder if they really used the pizza alibi for all the titanium or if they diversified. Did they really put all their eggs in one basket?

Re:Soviet Union sold titanium to US believing they needed it... by taf2 on Sunday June 18, 2023 @06:51PM (#36385356)
Can’t wait for the YouTube video about this - should be a good DIY series
Re:Soviet Union sold titanium to US believing they needed it... by Bluestrike2 on Sunday June 18, 2023 @07:36PM (#36385649)
They used multiple front companies and routed orders through third-world countries to buy the needed ore. More than likely, pizza ovens--or more likely, I'm guessing unspecified parts for pizza ovens--were just one of many cover stories used by those companies, and at least some of them were probably more believable than pizza ovens. You wouldn't use the same cover story for all the companies making the purchased.

Plus, titanium dioxide is used as a pigment, which would have reasonably explained a great deal of the rutile ore they purchased.

Re:Soviet Union sold titanium to US believing they needed it... by blihp on Sunday June 18, 2023 @06:19PM (#36385129)
They didn't know that at the time. Not an outrageous story as hotter is generally better for pizza ovens.
Re:Soviet Union sold titanium to US believing they needed it... by duxup on Sunday June 18, 2023 @06:21PM (#36385140)
> They didn't know that at the time.

Hard to imagine they even tried to find out as the lie would quickly become obvious with just a little effort.

Re:Soviet Union sold titanium to US believing they needed it... by epmos on Sunday June 18, 2023 @06:37PM (#36385246)
Rutile is used in refractory bricks and the import was of the ore mineral. So not completely unbelievable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rutile#Application

Re:Soviet Union sold titanium to US believing they needed it... by kevin_thibedeau on Sunday June 18, 2023 @06:46PM (#36385324)
There was no shortage of TiO₂ in the US. It's used everywhere. They were specifically importing the refined metal because the soviets had the only viable production capacity.
Re:Soviet Union sold titanium to US believing they needed it... by cantrevealname on Sunday June 18, 2023 @07:07PM (#36385468)
> There was no shortage of TiO₂ in the US.

But the article says that the US lacked the ore:

“Back when they were building the airplane the United States didn’t have the ore supplies – an ore called rutile ore. It’s a very sandy soil and it’s only found in very few parts of the world.”

Also, the Wikipedia link above doesn’t show the US to be major producer. It does show ex-Soviet block countries to be major producers.

I mean, you might be right about importing the metal rather than ore. I’m commenting only about whether the ore is widely available in the US.

Re:Soviet Union sold titanium to US believing they needed it... by CraigRo on Sunday June 18, 2023 @07:30PM (#36385615)
There's plenty of titanium in the us. They opened a mine in the Adirondacks just for this purpose in WW2, and there's tons of untapped ore. Chances are that it was cheaper to get from the USSR than to make it ourselves
Re:Soviet Union sold titanium to US believing they needed it... by c_o_n_v_e_x on Sunday June 18, 2023 @08:37PM (#36385987)
This is the case for many materials. The raw material itself is not rare, the bottleneck is the refining/processing capability and thus the refined material is scarce.

- The shortage of lumber in US a few years was due to lack of saw mills, not trees

- Shortage of semi-conductor grade Neon due to lack of plants that can refine the gas to the required purity

- Shortages of oil derived products due to constraints on refining

- "Rare earth" shortages as few countries refine. China is one of the few countries willing to tolerate the pollution generated from the refining processes.

Re:Soviet Union sold titanium to US believing they needed it... by varjag on Sunday June 18, 2023 @06:47PM (#36385326)
You don't quite need 1500C or so Ti alloys can tolerate to bake a pizza.
Re:Soviet Union sold titanium to US believing they needed it... by atomicnumber3 on Sunday June 18, 2023 @06:32PM (#36385211)
The capitalists are decadent bourgeois pigs, who could fathom the whims of their lifestyles?

(this is a joke)

Re:Soviet Union sold titanium to US believing they needed it... by klyrs on Sunday June 18, 2023 @06:51PM (#36385352)
I swear to you, there is an untapped market for titanium pizza ovens. Maybe for camping gear. Maybe for stationary ovens. But fire + titanium + father's day? It practically sells itself. Titanium pizza peels are already on the market. Who needs this shit?
Re:Soviet Union sold titanium to US believing they needed it... by dylan604 on Sunday June 18, 2023 @08:49PM (#36386044)
We told the Iranians we were making a space opera movie called Argo, and needed to scout locations as a cover story to get out the embassy employees. Strange is what makes a cover story good!
Re:Soviet Union sold titanium to US believing they needed it... by j16sdiz on Sunday June 18, 2023 @10:39PM (#36386739)
Yes. This is just another generated content farm.