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Re:A complete guide to getting what you want by 888666 on Sunday June 18, 2023 @03:20PM (#36383428)
As a woman, men who are focused on stuff like this (beyond basic physical and financial health) scare and repel me.
Re:A complete guide to getting what you want by inconceivable on Sunday June 18, 2023 @03:26PM (#36383500)
9. never tell women you are working on this stuff actively.

"just so you know, i'm working on not being a needy dork that texts you 24/7. i hope to be more attractive to you by working on my ability to make decisions for myself without being devastated when someone tells me their opinion of me. do you like me more now? how about now? how about now?"

Re:A complete guide to getting what you want by habinero on Sunday June 18, 2023 @09:37PM (#36386342)
No, trying to better yourself is fine.

Following that advice isn't bettering yourself, you're essentially just doing the human version of SEO.

You aren't becoming a better or kinder or more interesting person, nor are you working on your ability to make real human connections with others.

And a lot of you will say, so what? If it gets me a girlfriend, what does it matter?

These are the dudes who get dumped or divorced and never see it coming, because they never bothered to learn how to relate to people.

Re:A complete guide to getting what you want by inconceivable on Monday June 19, 2023 @12:15AM (#36387271)
> These are the dudes who get dumped or divorced and never see it coming

no, i do believe you have it exactly backwards.

you're also just making up straw man arguments like "can't connect with people". i didn't even mention that, or hobbies, or charity, or anything. pure fiction in your mind.

you see a post about 'self improvement' and your mind just fills in the blanks with your own assumptions. you probably didn't actually read half the post.

Re:A complete guide to getting what you want by habinero on Monday June 19, 2023 @01:36AM (#36387648)
Oh, I read it. I'm commenting on what you chose to emphasize and what you left out, because that speaks volumes about what you value.

Almost all of the advice was around superficial, self-centered things.

All of it was about you getting something you want, and none of it was about being a net positive in someone else's life.

It comes off as cold and selfish.

Re:A complete guide to getting what you want by inconceivable on Monday June 19, 2023 @03:32AM (#36388312)
the people who need this kind of advice are pushovers and constantly give of themselves to others, only to be taken advantage of. they're Nice Guys. as in they're too nice. maybe it's because they expect reciprocation, maybe because all they have to offer is niceness. maybe they're just naive.

who do you think needs advice to be more ASSERTIVE? people who are already assholes? think about what you're saying for like 2 fucking seconds.

these points are the areas they _ARE DEFICIENT IN_. again, straw man, poor reading comprehension with a lack of context to who the intended audience is meant to be, and mental fictions.

telling a mentally broken or underdeveloped Nice Guy that they need to be more selfless is a crock of shit, it's dishonest, and it's cruel. please be more aware of reality.

fwiw the comment has a lot of upvotes.

Re:A complete guide to getting what you want by habinero on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @04:14PM (#36409845)
If you want to do them, fine. But they're not going to make you successful at relationships, because everything about them has to do with you.
Re:A complete guide to getting what you want by patrick451 on Sunday June 18, 2023 @05:24PM (#36384653)
And what would you rather they do? Just "be themselves"? That advice is one of the primary root causes of the incel epidemic.
Re:A complete guide to getting what you want by habinero on Sunday June 18, 2023 @09:59PM (#36386496)
The problem is y'all keep trying to run last century's playbook.

Relationships are no longer transactional. The age of the breadwinner and provider are over. Women are no longer forced to stay home while you toil in the mines or whatever. You're optional.

Because you're optional, you need to be more desirable than no relationship and frankly, a lot of you aren't.

Re:A complete guide to getting what you want by inconceivable on Monday June 19, 2023 @03:57AM (#36388462)
> Relationships are no longer transactional

LOL. buddy. i've got some news for you.

the fact that you can't actually point to a single thing i said (not something you just made up out of thin air) and claim it is actually WRONG, means you're just angry at my opinion.

Re:A complete guide to getting what you want by habinero on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @04:28PM (#36410017)
See, this is what I mean. You have an extremely cynical, corrosive view of relationships, and it leads you to post things like this and assume other people are angry, too.

Relationships aren't something you acquire, they're something you build. You need to be a net asset to your partner, and just bringing home money doesn't count.

Re:A complete guide to getting what you want by abwizz on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @10:44AM (#36404797)
> Relationships are no longer transactional

why would that be?

"everything in the world is about sex, except sex, which is about power"

Re:A complete guide to getting what you want by habinero on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @04:16PM (#36409859)
Because it's not true?
Re:A complete guide to getting what you want by abwizz on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @03:51AM (#36415658)
why was it true and no longer is?