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Re:Ask HN: Has Google search switched to infinite scrolling ... by elzbardico on Saturday June 17, 2023 @12:16PM (#36371556)
Google pruned their index so radically that it doesn't make a difference anymore. For a bit less common stuff, but yet nothing esoteric, I get to the last page around page 4 or 5. And most of the stuff on those 5 pages are mostly SEO-farm copies of the same stuff. I quit looking for recipes on google. Bought a dozen of recipe books last year. fuck that shit.
Re:Ask HN: Has Google search switched to infinite scrolling ... by marak830 on Saturday June 17, 2023 @01:15PM (#36372181)
As an ex chef, escoffier as a basis, then salt fat acid heat by Samin nosrat.

Recipes are a guide for unfamiliar, but once you learn the profiles of each ingredient you can expand greatly.

I know it's a bit off your comments and I certainly search myself for new basis to play with, but I hope it helps :-)

Re:Ask HN: Has Google search switched to infinite scrolling ... by esafak on Saturday June 17, 2023 @02:10PM (#36372777)
Salt, Fat, Acid, Heat opened my eyes; it showed me an insightful way to deconstruct flavor and therefore the building blocks to construct it. Highly recommended!
Re:Ask HN: Has Google search switched to infinite scrolling ... by mvdtnz on Saturday June 17, 2023 @02:23PM (#36372916)
Respectfully this is obnoxious advice for the majority of home cooks. We just want to know what to cook and how.
Re:Ask HN: Has Google search switched to infinite scrolling ... by gumby on Saturday June 17, 2023 @02:30PM (#36373006)
It’s the opposite.

There’s nothing wrong at all with “cook by numbers” and it’s especially great if you didn’t learn to cook as a child. It’s like learning at a coding boot camp where you learn to write some simple business logic based on a spec, or learning algebra in grade 8: basically syntactic transforms with no theory.

But Salt, Fat, Acid, Heat will teach you to look in the fridge when you’re hungry but unmotivated and quickly make something from what happens to be there that isn’t boring, faster and cheaper than ordering junk food delivery.

Yes you could turn into a fancy chef but the suggested advice is great for someone like me, who doesn’t really care particularly about food.

Re:Ask HN: Has Google search switched to infinite scrolling ... by pinkcan on Saturday June 17, 2023 @03:25PM (#36373641)
1. that comment is not about you

2. don't tell people their perception of things is wrong, instead consider why they're perceiving things that way, and if you can, do something* that may change their perception

* here, you can't

Re:Ask HN: Has Google search switched to infinite scrolling ... by Spivak on Saturday June 17, 2023 @03:27PM (#36373668)
In fact I would go further and say that this stuff is more fundamental. Online recipes make cooking look mysterious and complicated when they're actually "cook each ingredient in the obvious way, measure with your heart, combine the things that go together, and assemble the final dish." It's not "easy just re-derive the formula when you need it" like you see in maths, it's that most dishes you don't need a recipe at all.

Baking is the only thing that requires some science know-how but it has its own building blocks [1] that demystify overly complicated recipes.

There aren't that many "shapes" of dishes.

[1] https://www.amazon.com/Ratio-Simple-Behind-Everyday-Cooking/...

Re:Ask HN: Has Google search switched to infinite scrolling ... by testacct22 on Saturday June 17, 2023 @06:26PM (#36375331)
This is true for me. Been making a lot of soups and soup like dishes, most have a similar profile:

1. Saute aromatic base (like onion, garlic, pepper, celery etc)

2. Deglaze

3. Add meats, non aromatic vegetables (e.g. carrot, potato)

4. Add broth, simmer

5. Garnish

Re:Ask HN: Has Google search switched to infinite scrolling ... by spdif899 on Saturday June 17, 2023 @02:28PM (#36372977)
Yeah those books are definitely great and the building blocks Nosrat provides are crucial for any home chef that wants to take a scientific approach to decision making in the kitchen. But most of the time, I just want to pick a recipe as a starting point
Re:Ask HN: Has Google search switched to infinite scrolling ... by spaceman_2020 on Saturday June 17, 2023 @03:42PM (#36373815)
I used to think like that but then I expanded my skills during the pandemic. I now have a much better grasp of ingredients and spices and how they all interact with each other.

All it took was asking “why” a specific ingredient was used at a specific stage in the recipe. You get a lot of answers from that.

Re:Ask HN: Has Google search switched to infinite scrolling ... by naet on Saturday June 17, 2023 @03:51PM (#36373894)
For me personally as a home cook I do best when I learn some of the concepts and then I can use whatever I have instead of trying to get a bunch of specific ingredients.

For example one of my staples is braised chicken and vegetables. I know I can use any of certain vegetables I might have (mushrooms, onions, celery, carrots, broccoli, cauliflower, kale, brussel sprouts, potatoes or sweet potatoes, shallots, etc), any of a couple liquids (water, chicken or vegetable stock, red or white wine, beer, etc) and spice it up with (heavy cream, fresh or dried herbs, mustard, garlic, pepper, bacon, butter, lemon, etc). And I know roughly how I want to cook it: flour the chicken and cook until brown and crispy in a pan, take it out and brown any firmer vegetables, add some spices, add the rest of the vegetables and my cooking liquid and bring to a small boil, put everything in a big oven dish, pop the chicken on top, bake at around 400 for 30-50 minutes until the chicken seems done, add any last things that might burn like cream in the final 5 minutes and then plate up and eat.

Now I don't have to go to the store and look for anything, don't have to worry too much about measuring ingredients, don't have to worry about cook time or technique. I can whip up a big family dinner pretty quickly with whatever I have on hand and experiment a bit with different flavors with confidence that it will turn out good.

Re:Ask HN: Has Google search switched to infinite scrolling ... by timacles on Sunday June 18, 2023 @01:32PM (#36382346)
It’s not even just obnoxious. It’s also just terrible advice even master chefs need to be exposed to a recipe to to know which ingredients to combine… to expect a home-cook to just come up with recipes at Homefr f is ridiculous. They’re just gonna end up cooking the same three or four things that they’ve been exposed to.
Re:Ask HN: Has Google search switched to infinite scrolling ... by joker_minmax on Saturday June 17, 2023 @01:29PM (#36372322)
I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed it's harder to find recipes from smaller sites anymore.
Re:Ask HN: Has Google search switched to infinite scrolling ... by dustymcp on Saturday June 17, 2023 @02:15PM (#36372823)
I have been using openAI for this, its surprisingly accurate, and way faster for easy recipes and instructions.
Re:Ask HN: Has Google search switched to infinite scrolling ... by threads2 on Saturday June 17, 2023 @02:24PM (#36372939)
We won a set of fancy cast iron pans and gpt explained to us what each of them are for. Way better experience than googling or reading wikipedia.
Re:Ask HN: Has Google search switched to infinite scrolling ... by joker_minmax on Saturday June 17, 2023 @02:46PM (#36373200)
What made the experience better to you? I would feel compelled to Google search everything after the fact to make sure it wasn't lying to me.
Re:Ask HN: Has Google search switched to infinite scrolling ... by Saturn5 on Saturday June 17, 2023 @03:16PM (#36373537)
For me at least, I sometimes find it very difficult to google information I don’t yet know a lot about. It is very difficult if you don’t know the jargon to find anything that goes beyond the very surface level. Or if you did find the correct word, it goes too fast and you are not able to follow. It can be difficult to find an article in the “goldilocks zone” where I can follow along but also learn a lot. I do not do this, but I can imagine that AI could help with that as a starting of point. Then I would probably still google to confirm.
Re:Ask HN: Has Google search switched to infinite scrolling ... by pixl97 on Saturday June 17, 2023 @03:43PM (#36373829)
> I would feel compelled to Google search everything after the fact to make sure it wasn't lying to me

https://gizmodo.com/googles-algorithm-is-lying-to-you-about-...

>I knew from personal experience that this was a lie. Recipes always said it took 5 or 10 minutes to caramelize onions, and when you followed the recipes, you either got slightly cooked onions or you ended up 40 minutes behind schedule. So I caramelized some onions and recorded how long it really took—28 minutes if you cooked them as hot as possible and constantly stirred them, 45 minutes if you were sane about it—and I published those results on Slate, along with a denunciation of the false five-to-10 minute standard.

Trusting Google is just as apt to get you in trouble.

Re:Ask HN: Has Google search switched to infinite scrolling ... by joker_minmax on Saturday June 17, 2023 @04:26PM (#36374214)
Google didn't write the recipe, though; the blogger/author did. I have never trusted the snippets that Google started taking out of context and attempts to spoon-feed you at the top of the search, because much of the time they don't answer what I asked. Even then, the source is cited, allowing you to see the context yourself. Google is a tool for locating information from other sources. LLMs do not always correctly cite their sources, let alone provide them.
Re:Ask HN: Has Google search switched to infinite scrolling ... by threads2 on Sunday June 18, 2023 @09:42PM (#36386375)
yeah I went back to google to verify the information - like the other commenter said, I didn't know where to start, so gpt was very helpful.

It's shocking how gpt has almost no utility though because you can't actually TRUST anything it says. I've been thinking about that a lot lately.

Re:Ask HN: Has Google search switched to infinite scrolling ... by joker_minmax on Saturday June 17, 2023 @02:44PM (#36373175)
I'd rather support those small time blogs, people who do it as a hobby and for the creative joy of it, especially for recipes you don't see a lot in the English-speaking world. Using a language model for a recipe feels soulless to me.
Re:Ask HN: Has Google search switched to infinite scrolling ... by callalex on Sunday June 18, 2023 @02:31AM (#36377853)
Not to mention the llm basically copies these recipes word for word without attribution.
Re:Ask HN: Has Google search switched to infinite scrolling ... by 65 on Saturday June 17, 2023 @03:19PM (#36373574)
YouTube is a great place to find recipes from individuals. They usually have the entire recipe in the description. And a video to go along with it!
Re:Ask HN: Has Google search switched to infinite scrolling ... by spaceman_2020 on Saturday June 17, 2023 @03:46PM (#36373854)
Try looking up medical queries, especially for anything more complex than a regular flu.

The first page is just the same few domains. Meanwhile, websites dedicated to the disease and often maintained by supportive communities languish at the bottom of the pile.

Why? Because Google decided that “authority” of domains is important, not the content. So a generic article on WebMD will rank higher than a forum page filled with mountains of information from actual patients and medical professionals.

Re:Ask HN: Has Google search switched to infinite scrolling ... by rosewater on Saturday June 17, 2023 @08:47PM (#36376249)
If anyone has tips for how they personally deal with this, I’d be grateful!

The drop-off in results has been extremely pronounced for me, both for text and image search. Queries that should easily generate dozens of pages instead result in 1-3. The results are rarely what I’m looking for. It’s slowly been driving me crazy.

At this point, l’ve switched to mostly using individual site’s search functionality (GitHub, Stack Overflow, etc or using site: ) and bookmarking/taking notes on anything more obscure. I’m at a point where I’m tempted to scrape and index my bookmarks so I can search locally. Link discovery is a different matter of course.

Re:Ask HN: Has Google search switched to infinite scrolling ... by cyanydeez on Sunday June 18, 2023 @10:09AM (#36380437)
They just stopped indexing. I believe they basically just figured out how to cut their database to cater to as companies then just crawl only keywords