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Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by epolanski on Friday June 16, 2023 @02:58PM (#36361980)
Is waterproof even a real needed feature?

Like, I've been owning mobile phones for 22 years at this point and it's literally something I've never cared or benefitted from.

On the other hand, having replaceable batteries is definitely something that's been useful in the past.

Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by saalweachter on Friday June 16, 2023 @03:04PM (#36362095)
Huh, really?

I use my cell phone in the rain, I use my cell phone in the shower. I drop it in the mud and rinse it off in the sink.

Waterproof is a top-tier feature, right up there with "not exploding the screen into a thousand shards when I drop it".

Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by epolanski on Friday June 16, 2023 @03:22PM (#36362387)
Well, when I shower I shower, I'm not distracted by a phone, and few drops of water under the rain have never done anything to any of my phones.

Might be a top-tier feature for you, but it never made any difference to me.

Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by vel0city on Friday June 16, 2023 @04:28PM (#36363355)
I'm around pools and spas a good bit and like having my phone near me to do stuff like control music and be able to respond to events without needing to get out of the water. Pools have killed quite a few of my devices in the past. Just the other day I tripped while working around the pool and fell in (quite dangerous, for sure) and I had my phone in my pocket. If it wasn't waterproof, I'd be out a few hundred bucks from that accident.

I also like to go hiking and camping a good bit. I've lost a few electronic devices from getting caught in a storm. Its nice having the peace of mind that it doesn't matter if I get completely soaked with my phone in my pocket.

Finally, I have kids, and they're of the stage where its fun to throw things in toilets and in sinks.

Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by numpad0 on Friday June 16, 2023 @04:39PM (#36363529)
It probably has measurable impacts at manufacturers’ scale in repairs. Even if you didn’t consciously shower with a phone, it could rain which to a phone is same as owner taking it to a shower.
Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by hunter2_ on Friday June 16, 2023 @03:15PM (#36362268)
Some people live a life of random wetness, mud, and dropping things. Other people honestly do not. There should be products for both groups.
Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by tonyarkles on Friday June 16, 2023 @03:08PM (#36362154)
> literally something I've never cared or benefitted from

I'm happy for you, for never having lost a phone due to an accidental encounter with water. I haven't lost one recently, but:

- I fumbled an old flip phone while having a night out on the town and dropped it into the toilet.

- I replaced it with a really cute small Kyocera candy bar phone, that my girlfriend at the time didn't notice was still in my pants pocket when she washed my pants (I'm not sure if waterproofing would have saved this...)

- I recently dropped an iPhone 12 into a bathtub full of water and suffered 0 ill effects from it.

If I had to choose between replaceable batteries and waterproofing, I'm not sure which I'd personally choose. I've changed internal batteries in a few phones over the years... it was a bit of a hassle, but kept a $1000 device alive for another year or two. The water-killed phones... there was no bringing them back to life.

Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by tstrimple on Friday June 16, 2023 @06:00PM (#36364512)
I'm not sure about the iPhone, but my AirPod Pros went through a wash / dry cycle on more than one occasion with no apparent loss in functionality.
Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by cududa on Friday June 16, 2023 @03:05PM (#36362108)
I use my phone in the pool all the time during the summer, ever since they became water proof. Or take pictures in the lake, etc.

As well, once a day I run my phone under the faucet while I wash my hands and give it a clean. I absolutely want my phone waterproof and happily will trade a user replaceable battery for a waterproof phone.

Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by bluSCALE4 on Friday June 16, 2023 @03:09PM (#36362170)
I think it's pretty necessary. I remember I went to a theme park and wanted to have a good time and got drenched. My new phone was ruined. Just the other day, a friend that tried to throw me into a pool got pulled in with me. He had his phone on him. Though the last one is a bad example, sometimes you want to do something spur of the moment and not worry about ruining your phone.
Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by chrisbrandow on Friday June 16, 2023 @03:13PM (#36362246)
Is it useful to protect an $800 device from being ruined by accidentally dunking it in a pool, lake, toilet?

Yes.

Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by epolanski on Friday June 16, 2023 @03:23PM (#36362399)
I never buy over $300 phones, and anyway it never happened to me in 22+ years to ever drop a phone in a pool/lake/toilet.

I'm not discussing it being useful, I merely said that it doesn't feel _really_ needed by me.

If I had to choose between interchangeable batteries and waterproof I would choose the first one hands down.

Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by JoshTriplett on Friday June 16, 2023 @03:56PM (#36362938)
You said:

> Is waterproof even a real needed feature?

That comes across as though you're trying to dismiss it as unimportant; it doesn't come across as though you're actually asking the question and willing to listen to the answer. And then, responding to people who answer you with further dismissals of their reasons continues to seem like you're trying to dismiss it as unimportant because you don't use it.

In response to someone saying they don't want to lose an $800 phone to water damage, what value does it add to say "I never buy over $300 phones, and anyway it never happened to me"? Other people do buy expensive phones, and also, whether expensive or cheap, other people do want to not lose them to water damage, and for that matter, other people do want to use them in environments where they're likely to get wet (e.g. pools/showers/baths).

It comes across as though you're trying to say "but you're wrong to want that", which results in the response you are getting.

Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by chrisbrandow on Saturday June 17, 2023 @02:44AM (#36367913)
Apple doesn’t sell many $300 new phones, so it is a useful feature for the phones they do sell.

I’m probably just clumsy, but I’ve dropped my phone into bodies of water twice in 10 years. I also know of 2 people that have dropped their phones in toilets.

The Venm diagram of expensive phones and clumsy people is large enough to make this a useful feature for some.

I wouldn’t mind if the regulation was that a phone company must offer at least one model with detachable battery, but I’d be sad if the amazing advances in waterproof phones were compromised.

Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by x3874 on Friday June 16, 2023 @03:19PM (#36362327)
Sounds like maybe Insta whores shouldn't do poolside photos or take them to the bowl? You don't have to fool around with your "$800 device" half a day, it is your digital pacifier addiction wreaking havoc.

And yes, for hiking etc., there are $5 waterproof bags available?

But what am i surprised being on a website for grown-up tech toddlers needing their pacifiers everywhere, even for obtaining food and checking in contactless i.e. scared of people.

Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by cududa on Friday June 16, 2023 @03:25PM (#36362433)
Or taking pictures of my nephews in the pool. Your blatant misogyny around a phone battery is pathetic.
Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by reillyse on Friday June 16, 2023 @03:35PM (#36362572)
What is this word vomit.
Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by halflings on Friday June 16, 2023 @03:06PM (#36362117)
Yes it is. I had a phone accidentally fall in water 3-4 times, was pretty happy waterproof phones are a thing.
Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by martin8412 on Friday June 16, 2023 @03:01PM (#36362033)
Yes, it is a needed feature in humid environments.
Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by chongli on Friday June 16, 2023 @03:06PM (#36362116)
Also anywhere that drops below freezing in the winter. Coming indoors with an ice cold phone is going to cause tons of condensation. If the phone isn't sealed (or placed inside a sealed case) then water will get inside.
Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by epolanski on Friday June 16, 2023 @03:24PM (#36362418)
Wait, are you saying that till few years ago non-waterproof phones broke more or something? Because that never happened.
Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by cududa on Friday June 16, 2023 @03:26PM (#36362451)
Phones cameras frequently were rendered useless before this, when humidity would seep in and condensation would form in the lense.
Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by gsich on Friday June 16, 2023 @03:03PM (#36362062)
That is not the same.
Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by FpUser on Friday June 16, 2023 @03:05PM (#36362110)
>"Is waterproof even a real needed feature?"

Depends on one's lifestyle that can include hiking / cycling under heavy rain for example.