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Re:The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if th... by bnralt on Friday June 16, 2023 @01:01PM (#36360011)
8 years ago a bunch of Reddits went dark to protest the firing of Victoria Taylor. The AMA sub claimed that they wouldn't be able to continue without Victoria's help. Eventually the sub opened back up and things continued as they had before; the average user noticed no difference. If you told people today that Reddit AMA's hadn't been working for the past 8 years because the company fired an employee then, they'd probably laugh.
Re:The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if th... by CommieBobDole on Friday June 16, 2023 @01:16PM (#36360261)
> If you told people today that Reddit AMA's hadn't been working for the past 8 years because the company fired an employee then, they'd probably laugh.

That's technically true, but that's because nobody today really thinks about Reddit AMAs, because there are fairly few of them and they're mostly lousy.

When they employed Victoria, AMAs were frequent and involved high-profile public figures engaging with the users in a way that, even if it was self-promotion, felt relatively genuine and was entertaining - This was because Victoria was essentially interviewing people with user-submitted questions, and she was good at it. The Reddit AMA was a cultural touchstone, like the late-night talk-show circuit.

Victoria herself was not somehow utterly irreplaceable, but as far as I can tell, they fired her and replaced her with nothing. With the result that Reddit lost a popular, interesting feature and a lot of cultural relevance.

I think it's very appropriate to compare that situation with the situation today, though perhaps not as you intended it; it won't burn down the site, Reddit will go on, but it will be a little worse and a little closer to that tipping point because of yet another bad management decision.

Re:The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if th... by bnralt on Friday June 16, 2023 @01:30PM (#36360532)
> With the result that Reddit lost a popular, interesting feature and a lot of cultural relevance.

Looking through /r/IAMA, and I can't say that I'm seeing that. If you look through the top voted AMA's of all time there, the vast majority are some years after Victoria's departure. Comparing those to the few on there from prior to her departure doesn't seem to show much of a difference, at least from what I can tell.

It does seem like the sub peaked a few years back, but again, that was still several years after her departure.

Re:The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if th... by CommieBobDole on Friday June 16, 2023 @01:54PM (#36360849)
I don't know if this is a good metric because Reddit five years ago had 4x as many active users than 9 years ago.

It would probably be an interesting exercise to download the data for all the AMAs and adjust by MAU to see what the actual most popular threads were, but I'm not going to do that right now.

Re:The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if th... by bnralt on Friday June 16, 2023 @02:05PM (#36361018)
> I don't know if this is a good metric because Reddit five years ago had 4x as many active users than 9 years ago.

It does today, yet most of the top upvoted ones aren't from the last few years. Rather, most seem to be from 2 to 3 years after Victoria was fired. So they seemed to get more popular in the first few years after she was fired, and then less after that. I'm not sure that can simplistically be chalked up to an expanded user base.

The most upvoted AMA of all time is Obama's from a decade ago. However, that was a year before Victoria started working there (she only worked there two years from what I can find).

None of this is to denigrate her work, for what it's worth. Just that the doomsday scenarios that were given back then (IAMA mods were claiming they wouldn't be able to continue unless Reddit changed its decision) never came to pass.

Re:The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if th... by chimeracoder on Saturday June 17, 2023 @05:39AM (#36368702)
> It does today, yet most of the top upvoted ones aren't from the last few years. Rather, most seem to be from 2 to 3 years after Victoria was fired. So they seemed to get more popular in the first few years after she was fired, and then less after that.

The subreddit was a default subreddit for a while, and no longer is. So for some years, every new Reddit user was automatically subscribed to it, and that stopped being the case.

Everything you're saying is consistent with OP's claim.

Re:The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if th... by 1024core on Friday June 16, 2023 @02:06PM (#36361038)
> If you look through the top voted AMA's of all time there

That doesn't account for user growth though. You should normalize the figures by dividing by the total number of Reddit users, or at least IAmA subscribers.

Re:The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if th... by bnralt on Friday June 16, 2023 @02:14PM (#36361189)
If the sub is experiencing substantial user growth isn't that an indication that the sub is doing well?
Re:The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if th... by TremendousJudge on Friday June 16, 2023 @02:24PM (#36361366)
No, /r/IamA was a default subreddit for many years, thus all new users would get subscribed to it (I think defaults have been gone for some years now, but subscriber inflation already happened)
Re:The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if th... by duckmysick on Friday June 16, 2023 @02:15PM (#36361207)
> If you look through the top voted AMA's of all time there, the vast majority are some years after Victoria's departure.

It could also be explained by a growing userbase. More users in recent years means more upvotes in threads from the same period, compared to older ones. I checked a few big subreddits that are at least 10 years old and their all-time top posts are from up to five years ago.

Also, reddit changed how the upvotes are counted somewhere in 2016.

Re:The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if th... by sharkweek on Friday June 16, 2023 @01:03PM (#36360047)
I still use Reddit and I get that beloved people get fired for any number of reasons, but AMAs have been noticeably worse since Victoria’s time running them.

I actually can’t think of more than a handful of examples of great AMAs the last few years. At one point it was a press stop for almost anyone famous doing a tour, and that doesn’t seem to be true anymore.

Re:The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if th... by a2tech on Friday June 16, 2023 @01:12PM (#36360190)
Actually this is a great example of wht they're going to get. AMA's used to be a GREAT use of Reddit when Victoria ran them. The questions were fresh and it was a very broad pool of people they interviewed. Since then they've either been 1) terrible 2) obviously pimping something or 3) a combination of both. They're not even worth reading and I stopped looking at them years ago.
Re:The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if th... by sharkweek on Friday June 16, 2023 @01:37PM (#36360652)
Yeah Victoria did a good job queueing up a high quality experience for readers and the AMA participant when celebrities did do their press tours.

My guess is she trained the guests less familiar with Reddit on how to have a successful AMA (e.g., “don’t be Woody Harrelson”).

And because they were so successful, publicists were probably more willing to allow them to happen.

Re:The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if th... by mlyle on Friday June 16, 2023 @01:16PM (#36360257)
I agree. I thought they'd be able to replace Victoria and it'd be no issue. But the magic of AMA, part of what drew me to reddit in the first place, was gone. I scarcely look at them now.
Re:The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if th... by munificent on Friday June 16, 2023 @02:13PM (#36361166)
> I stopped looking at them years ago.

Same. I loved AMA back when it was new and was a mixture of famous people, interesting jobs, or just people with unusual stories. Victoria did a good job of balancing those and making the ones with famous people still feel fairly authentic.

After she was fired, AMA became almost entirely famous people shilling stuff like a generic forgettable late night interview show. I unsubscribed.

Re:The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if th... by bhouston on Friday June 16, 2023 @01:27PM (#36360476)
AMAs are basically dead on reddit these days. Scroll through this listing:

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/top/?t=all

I had to scroll for pages and pages to find one that was recent. The heyday appears to have been 5 to 9 years ago.

It looks like this sub got established as the place to go and then it slowly lost momentum over time.

Re:The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if th... by squeaky-clean on Friday June 16, 2023 @01:08PM (#36360123)
> the average user noticed no difference

I think the general consensus among Reddit is that AMA's were a lot higher quality back then.

Re:The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if th... by BoxFour on Friday June 16, 2023 @01:17PM (#36360274)
Yeah I'm thoroughly confused by OP because AMAs are a noticeable bungled opportunity on Reddit's part: They were attracting extremely high-profile people (Obama did one at one point), and now it's far less a preeminent part of the platform than it used to be.

The average user noticed no difference because AMAs just kinda faded into the background and became an unimportant part of the site.

Re:The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if th... by nanidin on Friday June 16, 2023 @01:33PM (#36360593)
AMA’s now are thinly veiled publicity events - like celebrities dialing into your local radio show to shill their latest project. There is rarely any feeling of actual engagement in modern AMA’s.
Re:The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if th... by dale_glass on Friday June 16, 2023 @01:17PM (#36360288)
I think r/IAMA got a lot worse since Victoria left.

I used to visit it often back when she was around, but I don't think I even remembered it exists anymore, until you happened to mention it. It just lost relevance.

Re:The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if th... by Retric on Friday June 16, 2023 @01:17PM (#36360294)
Huh, that explains why I haven’t looked at a Reddit AMA in the last ~5-10 years or so. I’m guess it was actually 8 years and I never realized what happened.
Re:The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if th... by Havoc on Friday June 16, 2023 @01:27PM (#36360470)
It's subjective I guess, but the AMA content quality on reddit did seem to fall off a cliff after she left. Not reddit destroying but definitely left a hole
Re:The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if th... by HWR_14 on Friday June 16, 2023 @02:01PM (#36360968)
I haven't seen a good AMA in a very long time. Tons of enshitification is eventually tolerated, especially by people who had no experience with an older version. That doesn't make it good.
Re:The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if th... by nickstinemates on Friday June 16, 2023 @02:09PM (#36361092)
They were actually right. This is exactly when Reddit AMA's went from something spectacular to spectacular garbage. They were producing bangers left and right, and what have they done since then?
Re:The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if th... by wvenable on Friday June 16, 2023 @02:09PM (#36361099)
That's funny because I use this example the opposite of you. AMA's completely changed after Victoria's departure and haven't been the same since. There were weekly high-profile AMAs that got large media coverage and it never went back to that.

Ultimately that protest went no where because there was no end game -- Victoria didn't want her job back. It was just done. End of era.

Re:The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if th... by m_0x on Friday June 16, 2023 @02:50PM (#36361825)
Jesus I completely forgot about r/IAMA and Im a daily reddit visitor.

I can't say that that subreddit was better in the Victoria Taylor era than today because I don't visit it anymore. I also can't say I stopped visiting it because of the same event.

But I know at some point I stopped caring about the high profile threads and the answers they gave.