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Re:U.S. Spy Agencies Buy Vast Quantities of Americans’ Perso... by oilchange on Tuesday June 13, 2023 @10:37AM (#36310842)
> In fact, most liberal democracies are at odds with Russia, Iran, China

What's a liberal democracy? Oh you mean our vassals are at odds with the countries we are at odds with? I find that odd.

What is the "liberal democracies" problem with russia, iran, china and the mexican cartels. Take ireland for example. What's their beef with russia, iran, china and the mexican cartels?

Oh they have no beef. It's just that they have to follow orders. We say jump and they say how high. Maybe one day, these liberal democracies will be liberated and regain their sovereignty. Hey maybe russia, iran, china and the mexican cartels can help liberate them.

The thing about propaganda is how silly it gets.

Re:U.S. Spy Agencies Buy Vast Quantities of Americans’ Perso... by 2OEH8eoCRo0 on Tuesday June 13, 2023 @10:42AM (#36310933)
It's extremely insulting to call friends and allies vassals.
Re:U.S. Spy Agencies Buy Vast Quantities of Americans’ Perso... by oilchange on Tuesday June 13, 2023 @10:49AM (#36311030)
The truth hurts.

An influential and prominent bureaucrat once said america has no friends or enemies, just interests. Think about it.

Isn't it more insulting to call countries you firebombed and nuked "friends and allies". Imagine if china firebombed germany and currently occupies it. Would we not laugh if china called germany their friend and ally? Imagine if russia nuked japan and occupied it. Would we call them besties for life?

Edit: You still haven't answered what ireland's problem with iran is? What's ireland's problem with russia and china. And what issues do they have with the mexicans.

Re:U.S. Spy Agencies Buy Vast Quantities of Americans’ Perso... by 2OEH8eoCRo0 on Tuesday June 13, 2023 @12:31PM (#36312715)
> america has no friends or enemies, just interests.

Who said that and where and when did they say it?

Re:U.S. Spy Agencies Buy Vast Quantities of Americans’ Perso... by FormerBandmate on Tuesday June 13, 2023 @11:13AM (#36311437)
It's how Russia sees the world, which is why the Soviet Union failed. Really impeded trade relations in the eastern bloc
Re:U.S. Spy Agencies Buy Vast Quantities of Americans’ Perso... by guerrilla on Tuesday June 13, 2023 @11:01AM (#36311247)
I think it's extremely insulting to call vassals "friends and allies."
Re:U.S. Spy Agencies Buy Vast Quantities of Americans’ Perso... by FormerBandmate on Tuesday June 13, 2023 @11:05AM (#36311299)
Russia is waging a war of conquest and China has concentration camps. Iran brutally oppresses women and Mexican drug cartels melt children in acid. The US and its allies are free democracies where people vote. Spare us this sophomore in college "both sides are the same" nonsense
Re:U.S. Spy Agencies Buy Vast Quantities of Americans’ Perso... by oilchange on Tuesday June 13, 2023 @11:35AM (#36311785)
> Russia is waging a war of conquest

So then the liberal democracies were against the US when we invaded iraq? Are they against the occupation of germany, japan, korea, italy, etc? Or is it not conquest when we do it?

> China has concentration camps

"Concentration camps". Yes and liberal democracies have torture chambers all over the world. Strange. Did they disband these "concentration camps"? Have the ugyhers been genocided already? Why the complete radio silence on the "genocide" of the century? Because it turned out to be a lie and propaganda? Wasn't it 3 million died in the camps. Then it was 300K. Then 300. Then 3. Then 0. Now do you want to discuss palestine? Or do muslims in palestine not matter?

> Iran brutally oppresses women

No they don't. Just because they have their own cultural values doesn't mean they oppress women. No more than saudi arabia does. You support diversity right?

> The US and its allies are free democracies where people vote.

So is russia, iran, venezuela, etc...

> Spare us this sophomore in college "both sides are the same" nonsense

No. One side is clearly worse - the "liberal democracies".

Who invaded more muslim countries and destroyed more muslim lives? Liberal democracies or china, russia, iran, mexican cartels?

Which country is more oppressive to women? Saudi arabia ( liberal democracies favorite muslim country ) or iran?

Which country has waged more wars of conquest? Liberal democracies or russia, china, iran, mexican cartels?

By your own criteria, the liberal democracies are the worst.

Re:U.S. Spy Agencies Buy Vast Quantities of Americans’ Perso... by flerchin on Tuesday June 13, 2023 @01:13PM (#36313387)
>So then the liberal democracies were against the US when we invaded iraq?

They were.

> Are they against the occupation of germany, japan, korea, italy, etc?

No one in any of those countries is occupied today, and all are liberal democracies.

Saudi Arabia is just as bad as Iran.

Re:U.S. Spy Agencies Buy Vast Quantities of Americans’ Perso... by inconceivable on Tuesday June 13, 2023 @11:11AM (#36311411)
> China has concentration camps

why isn't the west or the islamic world doing anything about this? isn't the forever war in the middle east over by now? why can't we redeploy some of those military assets to invade china next? certainly we can get support from saudi and israel and pakistan and the UK to support us, right?

Re:U.S. Spy Agencies Buy Vast Quantities of Americans’ Perso... by FormerBandmate on Tuesday June 13, 2023 @11:15AM (#36311476)
China is really big and has nukes
Re:U.S. Spy Agencies Buy Vast Quantities of Americans’ Perso... by inconceivable on Tuesday June 13, 2023 @11:16AM (#36311496)
yeah, so in other words, might makes right in the world that the US has configured.
Re:U.S. Spy Agencies Buy Vast Quantities of Americans’ Perso... by Anon_Forever on Tuesday June 13, 2023 @12:43PM (#36312941)
>yeah, so in other words, might makes right in the world that the US has configured.

yeah, so in other words, might makes right in the world that humans have configured.

FTFY. Violence is the supreme authority that all other authority derives from.

Re:U.S. Spy Agencies Buy Vast Quantities of Americans’ Perso... by tastyfreeze on Tuesday June 13, 2023 @02:12PM (#36314299)
If anything that has been the example the US has set for the rest of the world by "spreading democracy" through regime change and war. The correct way to spread democracy is to be a shining example of a free society by being prosperous without killing people that have done you no harm.