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Re:What went on inside the Wuhan lab weeks before Covid erupted by zosima on Sunday June 11, 2023 @05:39AM (#36279712)
The Huanan Seafood market paper has been heavily critized.

Especially the fact that covid was not found in a single animal sample does make the evidence rather weak.

In addition it seems that the lack of sampling from outside the market and the fact that the market is a busy place in the center of the city where the virus would likely be once it's spreading from person to person , does not really lend support to the conclusions in the paper at all.

Re:What went on inside the Wuhan lab weeks before Covid erupted by pcrh on Sunday June 11, 2023 @05:58AM (#36279810)
>The Origins of Covid-19 — Why It Matters (and Why It Doesn’t)

>More than half of the earliest Covid-19 cases were connected to the Huanan market, and epidemiologic mapping revealed that the concentration of cases was centered there. In January 2020, Chinese officials cleared the market without testing live animals, but positive environmental samples, including those from an animal cage and a hair-and-feather–removal machine, indicated the presence of both SARS-CoV-2 and Covid-susceptible animals.5 Recently released findings included raccoon dog DNA, pointing to a possible SARS-CoV-2 progenitor.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMp2305081

Re:What went on inside the Wuhan lab weeks before Covid erupted by reuben_scratton on Sunday June 11, 2023 @06:52AM (#36280121)
Oh jeez, just give up already.

Not a single positive animal sample at the market, or anywhere else. Not a single one. That raccoon dog "evidence" shows that raccoon dogs were at the market, in the same place where the virus was found. That's all.

Humans brought the virus to the market. It's screamingly obvious and always has been.

Re:What went on inside the Wuhan lab weeks before Covid erupted by toast0 on Sunday June 11, 2023 @12:04PM (#36282618)
> Humans brought the virus to the market. It's screamingly obvious and always has been.

Well of course, the racoon dogs et al all come in via human transport.

Testing infrastructure was poor, and maybe it still is. Chinese government interest was not in finding facts, but in taking action to 'solve the problem'. It's hard to find facts when the people with power just want the problem to go away. IMHO, that doesn't weigh in favor of either explaination. The wuhan local government and the chinese national government would have likely taken the same actions regardless of the source, because they're both not very interested in facts.

US health authorities pushing on the market theory are just doing their typical behavior of taking what little information is available and pushing it with no nuance. I enjoyed seeing the cdc stickers telling me not to use a mask out in public areas when the cdc was requiring them; the congitive dissonance was so palpable.

Re:What went on inside the Wuhan lab weeks before Covid erupted by Atotalnoob on Monday June 12, 2023 @02:15AM (#36289076)
They said not to use them because there was a shortage of PPE.

They prioritized healthcare workers to wear masks

Re:What went on inside the Wuhan lab weeks before Covid erupted by th0ma5 on Sunday June 11, 2023 @01:03PM (#36283167)
Saying something is obvious doesn't make it true.
Re:What went on inside the Wuhan lab weeks before Covid erupted by BryantD on Sunday June 11, 2023 @09:34AM (#36281217)
Just to be clear, there weren’t animal samples available for testing. It’s not that they tested a bunch of animals and didn’t find covid. I know that’s what you meant but not everyone is familiar with the paper and it’s important to be meticulous here.

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abp8715

Re:What went on inside the Wuhan lab weeks before Covid erupted by giarc on Sunday June 11, 2023 @11:26AM (#36282247)
I don't actually think that is what they meant. If there are no animals to even sample, you don't describe that as "that covid was not found in a single animal sample". No one would phrase it that way.
Re:What went on inside the Wuhan lab weeks before Covid erupted by BryantD on Sunday June 11, 2023 @11:38AM (#36282385)
Easier on my general well-being to just assume positive intent. (As is obvious from my comment history I don't always succeed there, but I do try.)
Re:What went on inside the Wuhan lab weeks before Covid erupted by HWR_14 on Sunday June 11, 2023 @05:07PM (#36285696)
That you have been able to maintain assuming positive intent with regard to COVID comments for this long is kind of amazing.
Re:What went on inside the Wuhan lab weeks before Covid erupted by lamontcg on Sunday June 11, 2023 @01:26PM (#36283405)
They found racoon dog DNA, along with other susceptible animals, comingled with SARS-CoV-2 in samples from the market:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/21/science/covid-raccoon-dog...

And the behavior of China behind that whole story looks very much like China tried to cover up the existence of susceptible animals at the market.

Re:What went on inside the Wuhan lab weeks before Covid erupted by Biorealism on Sunday June 11, 2023 @03:34PM (#36284800)
That was written before Jesse Bloom reanalyzed the data and found a negative correlation with raccoon dogs.

https://news.yahoo.com/raccoon-dogs-did-not-start-covid-19-n...

Re:What went on inside the Wuhan lab weeks before Covid erupted by lamontcg on Monday June 12, 2023 @12:00AM (#36288298)
Raccoon Dog DNA was still found at the market. That was previously denied.

I'm not making the argument that the DNA samples indicate that the Raccoon Dogs that the samples were from had SARS-CoV-2. I'm just arguing that previously it had been stated that there were no Raccoon Dogs in the market at all and that has been proven wrong.