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Re:Germans beat Tesla to autonomous L3 driving in the Golden... by pavlov on Saturday June 10, 2023 @04:39PM (#36274860)
I have a Model 3 in Europe with the so-called FSD, and it’s mostly terrible. I regret paying for it. The car often doesn’t understand even speed limit signs.

Recently I visited LA and a friend gave me a drive in their Model 3. The difference in sensor interpretation quality was massive compared to what I see back home. That gave me hope of my aging Model 3 still seeing improvements… But also a nagging suspicion that Tesla may have spent a lot of manual effort on data labeling and heuristics for LA roads specifically, and the results may not be easily scalable elsewhere.

Re:Germans beat Tesla to autonomous L3 driving in the Golden... by omgwtfbyobbq on Saturday June 10, 2023 @04:45PM (#36274909)
It will likely take a while because there is a difference. I'm not sure if it's manual effort or just having more data in certain regions.

When I first got into the beta, it wasn't great, but has improved significantly since then.

Re:Germans beat Tesla to autonomous L3 driving in the Golden... by chroma on Saturday June 10, 2023 @05:21PM (#36275232)
The difference in FSD behavior is due to the EU’s laws on autonomous vehicles. The EU mandates maximum lateral acceleration, lane change times, and many other details that make for a worse (and less safe) driving experience.
Re:Germans beat Tesla to autonomous L3 driving in the Golden... by ifdefdebug on Saturday June 10, 2023 @05:37PM (#36275410)
Now why would the EU mandate details that make for a less safe driving? You are implying they are either malicious or stunningly incompetent.
Re:Germans beat Tesla to autonomous L3 driving in the Golden... by 221qqwe on Saturday June 10, 2023 @05:46PM (#36275486)
> stunningly incompetent

Not stunningly, just moderately. But generally yes, that's a good description for EU bureaucrats.

Re:Germans beat Tesla to autonomous L3 driving in the Golden... by worik on Saturday June 10, 2023 @07:26PM (#36276382)
>> stunningly incompetent > Not stunningly, just moderately. But generally yes, that's a good description for EU bureaucrats.

I disagree.

Wordy, worthy, self interested, rule fetish... All of that. But not incompetent like this.

Teslas being optimised for L.A. makes more sense in this case.

Unusually it looks to me like conspiracy rather than cock up.

Re:Germans beat Tesla to autonomous L3 driving in the Golden... by smabie on Saturday June 10, 2023 @06:16PM (#36275744)
Government stunningly incompetent? Who would have thought..
Re:Germans beat Tesla to autonomous L3 driving in the Golden... by kiratp on Sunday June 11, 2023 @12:10AM (#36277931)
Re:Germans beat Tesla to autonomous L3 driving in the Golden... by BonoboIO on Saturday June 10, 2023 @05:28PM (#36275314)
Could you explain why the limits make the experience less safe.

Less lateral acceleration should mean more safety, or I m wrong?

Re:Germans beat Tesla to autonomous L3 driving in the Golden... by bhauer on Saturday June 10, 2023 @08:02PM (#36276621)
> Model 3 in Europe with the so-called FSD

No Teslas in Europe offer the FSD Beta program.

If you have purchased the "FSD capability," your car should be upgraded to include FSD Beta (or "release") at some point in the future. In the meantime, what you have is essentially Enhanced Autopilot with some bonus features like automatic lane changing on freeways.