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Re:Buy Well. Buy Once by Swizec on Saturday June 10, 2023 @11:02AM (#36271108)
> Corolla etc.

Fun way to think about it (borrowed from James May): A Toyota Corolla is higher quality than a Rolls Royce. Because Toyota makes 10,000,000 vehicles per year. Rolls makes only 6,000. Meaning Toyota is better at making cars just by virtue of having 4 orders of magnitude more practice.

Re:Buy Well. Buy Once by CPLX on Saturday June 10, 2023 @11:04AM (#36271133)
Except that’s not true. So…
Re:Buy Well. Buy Once by vGPU on Saturday June 10, 2023 @11:21AM (#36271302)
RR is made by BMW these days. So it’s almost certain to be awful.
Re:Buy Well. Buy Once by CPLX on Saturday June 10, 2023 @11:33AM (#36271412)
BMWs are also higher quality than Corollas.
Re:Buy Well. Buy Once by hansvm on Saturday June 10, 2023 @11:48AM (#36271548)
They have more features, but they break down a ton more often. By all means, if you want ventilated seats then you can get a higher end BMW, but that's a different metric from quality.
Re:Buy Well. Buy Once by KerrAvon on Saturday June 10, 2023 @11:51AM (#36271585)
You can get ventilated seats on Hondas and Hyundais. You don’t need to pay high-end BMW money.
Re:Buy Well. Buy Once by CPLX on Saturday June 10, 2023 @12:00PM (#36271655)
No they don’t. BMW is consistently in the top 5 rankings for reliability.

They’re just better cars, made to more exacting standards with higher quality materials and better engineering and features.

Re:Buy Well. Buy Once by cookie_monsta on Saturday June 10, 2023 @01:06PM (#36272372)
> BMW is consistently in the top 5 rankings for reliability.

And Toyota consistently ranks higher.

https://www.drive.com.au/news/most-reliable-and-least-reliab...

Re:Buy Well. Buy Once by CPLX on Saturday June 10, 2023 @02:09PM (#36273111)
Yes so a Corolla is a lower quality car with comparable or slightly higher reliability stats.

Unless you think the word quality is just fully synonymous with reliability (in which case a paper airplane beats an F-18) then my point stands.

Re:Buy Well. Buy Once by cookie_monsta on Saturday June 10, 2023 @02:49PM (#36273634)
I don't know that 72% to 65% is comparable or slightly higher. That seems like a gap to me. And the fact that BMW ranked 10th last year isn't great.

Quality is famously subjective, that's why you'll never see it ranked in a way that everyone can agree on the way you can with reliability which is actually measurable.

But reliability is one of the markers that most people would use to judge quality. And we generally expect aircraft to go where we want them to without catastrophic failure, so I would think that an F18 is more reliable than a paper plane.

Re:Buy Well. Buy Once by CPLX on Saturday June 10, 2023 @04:36PM (#36274827)
The reliability rankings are determined by surveying people and asking them the frequency of repairs.

Assuming my paper airplane never goes into the shop it’s going to outrank the F-18.

Ain’t a better plane though.

Re:Buy Well. Buy Once by cookie_monsta on Saturday June 10, 2023 @07:04PM (#36276201)
Well, again "better" is subjective and you would want to agree on some metrics before deciding.

Say I wanted a low-cost, lightweight, hand-propelled aircraft capable of flying short distances indoors that I could fold up and put in my pocket afterwards? Which would be the "better" plane then?

Re:Buy Well. Buy Once by nerdchum on Sunday June 11, 2023 @07:01AM (#36280165)
Better in this case is durability and there's no way of BMW is more durable than a Toyota Corolla and that is objective.
Re:Buy Well. Buy Once by CPLX on Sunday June 11, 2023 @07:57AM (#36280541)
A brick handily beats both.
Re:Buy Well. Buy Once by KerrAvon on Saturday June 10, 2023 @11:49AM (#36271563)
The original formulation of this theory (in Car and Driver iirc) was that it’s harder to make a water pump for a Chevrolet than a Mercedes, because you had to meet a tight cost objective for the Chevrolet.

In practice, it just meant Chevy often cheaped out on the water pump and you got water pump failures after the warranty expired.

Re:Buy Well. Buy Once by aeternum on Sunday June 11, 2023 @06:11PM (#36286255)
This however is balanced by material quality. Rolls Royce can use more expensive alloys and premium leather that do not degrade as quickly and still have plenty of margin.

Corolla designers are highly constrained by cost.