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Re:Mechanical Apple Watch from Real E-Waste Apple Watch by lm28469 on Friday June 09, 2023 @05:37AM (#36255441)
> Apple watch might last you 5-10 years

Tiny ass battery + daily full charge discharge = toast well before 10 years

If they actually cared about sustainability the screen and battery would be user replaceable

Re:Mechanical Apple Watch from Real E-Waste Apple Watch by ChuckNorris89 on Friday June 09, 2023 @07:58AM (#36256492)
The battery of a 20$ Casio F-91W alone, will outlive several Apple watches.
Re:Mechanical Apple Watch from Real E-Waste Apple Watch by reaperducer on Friday June 09, 2023 @08:36AM (#36256928)
The battery of a 20$ Casio F-91W alone, will outlive several Apple watches.

While I'm with you in spirit, I'm not sure that's strictly accurate.

The F-91W battery is rated for 10 years: https://support.casio.com/storage/en/manual/pdf/EN/009/qw593...

The calculator version (which I use) is rated for three years, assuming you only let the alarm go off for 20 seconds per day, and use the calculator function for less than one hour per day: https://support.casio.com/storage/en/manual/pdf/EN/009/qw320...

Re:Mechanical Apple Watch from Real E-Waste Apple Watch by ChuckNorris89 on Friday June 09, 2023 @08:51AM (#36257112)
You must be fun at parties
Re:Mechanical Apple Watch from Real E-Waste Apple Watch by alt227 on Friday June 09, 2023 @09:51AM (#36257809)
Dude, we're all nerds. None of us are fun at parties. No need for the sarcasm!
Re:Mechanical Apple Watch from Real E-Waste Apple Watch by moolcool on Friday June 09, 2023 @09:23AM (#36257463)
> The F-91W battery is rated for 10 years

What would you consider the average life of an Apple Watch? If it's 5 years, OP is right.

Re:Mechanical Apple Watch from Real E-Waste Apple Watch by reaperducer on Friday June 09, 2023 @09:25AM (#36257487)
What would you consider the average life of an Apple Watch? If it's 5 years, OP is right.

I'd say the Apple Watch is too new for anyone to know. I still use my six-year-old Apple Watch.

Re:Mechanical Apple Watch from Real E-Waste Apple Watch by _thisdot on Friday June 09, 2023 @09:34AM (#36257594)
Clearly the selling point of F-91W is the price. I think most owners are comfortable with roughhousing their F-91W and just buying a new one
Re:Mechanical Apple Watch from Real E-Waste Apple Watch by JohnBooty on Friday June 09, 2023 @12:21PM (#36260155)

     use the calculator function for less than one hour per day
I really want to meet a person who is hammering away at the calculator function on their watch for more than an hour per day. That would clearly be the coolest person in the world.
Re:Mechanical Apple Watch from Real E-Waste Apple Watch by ChuckNorris89 on Saturday June 10, 2023 @04:13AM (#36268675)
I think people with calculator watches are way cooler in a sea of people with smartwatches.
Re:Mechanical Apple Watch from Real E-Waste Apple Watch by klyrs on Saturday June 10, 2023 @10:09AM (#36270600)
Me in high school...
Re:Mechanical Apple Watch from Real E-Waste Apple Watch by bookofjoe on Friday June 09, 2023 @09:24AM (#36257479)
Re:Mechanical Apple Watch from Real E-Waste Apple Watch by ChuckNorris89 on Friday June 09, 2023 @09:34AM (#36257593)
I know Americans enjoy the lowest consumers electronics prices in the world but in Europe it's at least 20 Euros which is more than 20 USD and even at 20 euros it's difficult to find, with most shops asking for more than that.
Re:Mechanical Apple Watch from Real E-Waste Apple Watch by bookofjoe on Friday June 09, 2023 @09:44AM (#36257709)
Indeed. €28.86 = $31.08 USD at Amazon Germany: https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Casio-F91W-1-Classic-Black-Digita...

SEK 587.14 = $54.23 USD at Amazon Sweden: https://www.amazon.se/Casio-Herrar-Digitalklocka-hartsrem-F-...

Re:Mechanical Apple Watch from Real E-Waste Apple Watch by laurencerowe on Friday June 09, 2023 @10:25PM (#36266956)
Partly this is that Amazon isn’t as cheap in Europe. It’s £10.99 ($13.81) including 20% VAT at Argos in the UK.
Re:Mechanical Apple Watch from Real E-Waste Apple Watch by ChuckNorris89 on Saturday June 10, 2023 @04:12AM (#36268669)
That's true, but in continental Europe I definitely can't find it under 20 Eruos in any shop. UK is also an exception for low consumer prices.
Re:Mechanical Apple Watch from Real E-Waste Apple Watch by drivers99 on Friday June 09, 2023 @12:16PM (#36260090)
I remember paying $7 for mine at Walmart. It was on clearance.
Re:Mechanical Apple Watch from Real E-Waste Apple Watch by bookofjoe on Friday June 09, 2023 @12:29PM (#36260275)
Cheap at twice the price.
Re:Mechanical Apple Watch from Real E-Waste Apple Watch by ChuckNorris89 on Friday June 09, 2023 @02:15PM (#36261798)
It's crazy how much cheaper stuff is in the US compared to Europe.
Re:Mechanical Apple Watch from Real E-Waste Apple Watch by 908B64B197 on Friday June 09, 2023 @03:52PM (#36263258)
It's completely self-inflicted.

Duties, tariffs, out of control regulations and taxes to pay for underperforming civil servant's pension funds. It all adds up.

Re:Mechanical Apple Watch from Real E-Waste Apple Watch by mrguyorama on Friday June 09, 2023 @03:57PM (#36263325)
Also worker protections, public safety nets, and a general desire to not let corporations chew up and spit out people as if they were iron ore.
Re:Mechanical Apple Watch from Real E-Waste Apple Watch by ChuckNorris89 on Friday June 09, 2023 @04:44PM (#36263929)
Workers protections have nothing to do with consumer prices.
Re:Mechanical Apple Watch from Real E-Waste Apple Watch by laurencerowe on Friday June 09, 2023 @10:15PM (#36266880)
Remember that prices in Europe include sales tax, so the price you see is the price you pay. In the US you need to add sales tax on top, and in some places all sorts of random extra charges like ‘employee healthcare mandate’.
Re:Mechanical Apple Watch from Real E-Waste Apple Watch by devilbunny on Saturday June 10, 2023 @12:08PM (#36271725)
So buy here and take it home.

You'll quickly find that the price differences mostly reflect some combination of various laws and taxes. E.g., I recall reading (pre-Brexit) that UK law required shops to have a two-year warranty period for durable items sold. As in, you bought it from them, you could return it to them and get a new item. Or make them deal with the warranty. In the US, almost anything other than dead-on-arrival can (doesn't always, but can) require the consumer to ship it in the original packaging to the manufacturer's service center at their own cost. That is not a free service. And there may be tariffs involved.

Re:Mechanical Apple Watch from Real E-Waste Apple Watch by bookofjoe on Friday June 09, 2023 @03:03PM (#36262501)
Re:Mechanical Apple Watch from Real E-Waste Apple Watch by bookofjoe on Saturday June 10, 2023 @07:29PM (#36276403)
At the moment (Saturday June 10 7:29 pm ET) it's $13.90 here: https://www.amazon.com/Casio-F91W-1-Classic-Resin-Digital/dp...
Re:Mechanical Apple Watch from Real E-Waste Apple Watch by laurencerowe on Friday June 09, 2023 @10:21PM (#36266915)
The F-91W is the only watch I’ve owned in the past 20 years but I mostly go without since the strap breaks after a year or two.
Re:Mechanical Apple Watch from Real E-Waste Apple Watch by itissid on Friday June 09, 2023 @09:00AM (#36257203)
Apple always has had this tussle between making things repairable and sustainable vs selling more of stuff. It does not have to be this way. Don't they make a log of money from non hardware services. I heard apple pay rakes in close to 800m $
Re:Mechanical Apple Watch from Real E-Waste Apple Watch by FredPret on Friday June 09, 2023 @10:26AM (#36258288)
According to this [0] Apple made 93 b over the past four quarters. The Apple watch is bigger than the entire Swiss watch industry [1] but still a minor part of Apple.

My point being that they’d have to sell a hell of a lot of services to outpace the iPhone, and those services are mostly popular because they integrate into the iPhone. And people want the new shiny ones.

[0] https://ultimatestockpicker.com/company-detail/AAPL/

[1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertanaas/2020/02/07/apple-wa...

Re:Mechanical Apple Watch from Real E-Waste Apple Watch by Analemma_ on Friday June 09, 2023 @11:08AM (#36258963)
Battery replacement service through Apple is $80, which is not an unreasonable amount for a once-every-four-years repair; between the parts required and the expected probability of screwing it up and damaging it, you wouldn't really be saving any money doing it yourself.