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Re:Why the Dvorak keyboard didn't take over the world (2014)... by marricks on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @11:30AM (#36228122)
This sounds very alluring but having to deal with setting up VIM in every environment or going to a new environment with VIM not set up sounds so painful.

I imagine the native VIM bindings would be atrociously positioned in DVORAK

Re:Why the Dvorak keyboard didn't take over the world (2014)... by rgoulter on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @11:49AM (#36228434)
> I imagine the native VIM bindings would be atrociously positioned in DVORAK

Not really. Most vim keybindings follow mnemonics (like `di"`). Dvorak still has 'jk' adjacent to each other; and `h` to the left of `l`.

There are several keyboard shortcuts which are nicer with QWERTY left-hand only: (Ctrl Z, X, C, V, S, F, W, ... T?, A).

For two-hands-on-keyboard, these are less of an issue than for keyboard+mouse workflows.

Re:Why the Dvorak keyboard didn't take over the world (2014)... by api_or_ipa on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @12:44PM (#36229427)
Interestingly enough, the two vim bindings you probably use most, up/down (j/k) are actually positioned right next to each other on a dvorak keyboard. The rest take a bit of getting used to. You'd be surprised how natural vim feels on a dvorak keyboard.
Re:Why the Dvorak keyboard didn't take over the world (2014)... by codetrotter on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @12:50PM (#36229496)
I use Vim and Dvorak. It only took a couple of weeks to get used to. Never felt a need to customise Vim to change any keybindings strong enough to do so. And am happy I didn’t. For all these years I’ve been using them both together with just the default key bindings.
Re:Why the Dvorak keyboard didn't take over the world (2014)... by Jtsummers on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @12:51PM (#36229510)
Both vi-style and emacs-style key bindings work well under Dvorak without alteration. (Why are people capitalizing it? It's not an acronym, it's a name.)
Re:Why the Dvorak keyboard didn't take over the world (2014)... by dheera on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @01:00PM (#36229634)
I use VIM on Dvorak, having [shift], [:;], [q] next to each other is awesome.

Having [a], [i], [y], [p], [x] all on the left hand is also awesome. It's a bummer that [d] is on the other hand, though I could reach it in a pinch with my left hand if I need to.

I don't need the fake QWERTY arrow keys, the real arrow keys work.

Re:Why the Dvorak keyboard didn't take over the world (2014)... by kadoban on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @02:08PM (#36230829)
The "fake" arrow keys are nice so you don't have to move your hands. They are pretty decently placed in dvorak though, so it's no issue.
Re:Why the Dvorak keyboard didn't take over the world (2014)... by codemac on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @01:08PM (#36229762)
My vimrc has a specific section just for handling this:

    """""""""""" DVORAK FTW LOLZ! "
    noremap d h
    noremap h j
    noremap t k
    noremap n l
    noremap k d
    noremap l n
    noremap j t
    noremap ^Wd ^Wh
    noremap ^Wh ^Wj
    noremap ^Wt ^Wk
    noremap ^Wn ^Wl
    inoremap ^] ^[A
    inoremap ð ^N

That's all I use for handling dvorak. This has been in my config since I switched to git from hg in 2007, dunno how long before that.
Re:Why the Dvorak keyboard didn't take over the world (2014)... by marssaxman on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @02:44PM (#36231490)
> I imagine the native VIM bindings would be atrociously positioned in DVORAK

This is why I don't use vim; I had been touch-typing in Dvorak for years by the time I encountered it, and vim's layout felt like it would require a painful degree of brute memorization.

Re:Why the Dvorak keyboard didn't take over the world (2014)... by dizhn on Thursday June 08, 2023 @08:24AM (#36240705)
I know maybe 0.5 percent of what vim (neovim these days) can do and between that and a sane config my text editing skills have gotten at least 4 times better compared to a regular text editor. You can just learn the things that matter to you plus how to save and exit.
Re:Why the Dvorak keyboard didn't take over the world (2014)... by tmtvl on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @05:55PM (#36234171)
It's been years since I last used Vim (happy Emacs user now), but I don't see much of an issue, j and k are still next to each other and for moving in a line f, F, t, and T are nicer. Also solidus, of course.