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Re:US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has i... by quickthrowman on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @06:23PM (#36219902)
> All of this stuff reeks of some kind pf psyop.

In this case, I agree. I usually try to avoid conspiratorial thinking and conspiracy theories, but the DoD and related agencies have been putting out all kinds of information about UFOs in the past few years. My question is: why? The DoD isn’t known for their public relations.

My best speculative guess is that they’re claiming they’ve found alien craft and exotic alien materials because the US is testing aircraft that appear alien with exotic materials and don’t want other nation states to assume it is even terrestrial so they don’t attempt to replicate the technology.

There must be a reason behind the UFO media blitz that has happened lately, it’s not like they’re releasing the info to keep the public informed. Anyone have other ideas? It could be grifters looking to sell a story, mentally ill people misunderstanding jokes or inventing things out of whole cloth, etc.

P.S. I believe intelligent life may exist elsewhere in the universe, but that we’ve never been visited and will never be visited due to the distances involved.

Re:US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has i... by onetimeusename on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @06:33PM (#36220018)
One theory is that a lot of the buzz is just some former intel officers like Luis Elizondo of To the Stars trying to get donations. Grusch happens to be a former intel officer. Who knows? maybe they are disgruntled or want to cash in on their former jobs. Although Grusch does not appear to be involved with an NGO that does this kind of thing, maybe he will release a book soon? This is speculation.

Another is that maybe we are in something of a Cold War right now, as predicated by the weather balloon incident, but the USG wants to keep it secret. If people spot UAPs there is a counter narrative now about aliens that drowns out talk of war. It seems like knowing we were being spied on could cause reactions the government would rather not deal with.

et cetera...

Re:US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has i... by bagels on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @06:28PM (#36219951)
But who is the messaging intended for? Foreign military intelligence agencies can draw the same conclusions, that this is some kind of misdirection, and that it's more likely a cover for US or Chinese weapons tech, they're not dumb.
Re:US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has i... by quickthrowman on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @06:37PM (#36220055)
You make a very good point, I’m going to stick with the grifter/liar/mentally ill thesis instead.
Re:US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has i... by Loquebantur on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @07:43PM (#36220686)
His actions would have seriously bad consequences for him if he was lying.

Several reputable people have gone on record testifying for his (mental) integrity. Even some scientists actually.

The whole premise of that guy being easily discredited is absurd. Its lazy thinking plain and simple. Go read the actual article and corroborating information on 'The Debrief'.

Re:US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has i... by nonethewiser on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @08:53PM (#36221318)
His actions would have far worse consequence if he was telling the truth.

If he is lying there is no conspirators to give a shit.

Neither of these point to whether or not hes lying though. Just saying.

Re:US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has i... by quickthrowman on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @01:02PM (#36229661)
Given the choice between ‘a guy is lying/mistaken and so are a few others’ and ‘a worldwide conspiracy has existed for 80 years to cover up the existence of alien visits to Earth’, I’m going to apply Occam’s Razor and go with lying.
Re:US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has i... by jameshart on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @06:53PM (#36220203)
"The DoD isn’t known for their public relations"

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/43168/top-gun-2s-exten...

The DoD got Tom Cruise to pay them to make a 2hr 10m ad, and then audiences paid $1.5bn at the box office to watch it.

The DoD is amazing at PR.

Re:US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has i... by operatingthetan on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @07:17PM (#36220450)
Seems like they are amazing at getting a good deal, which is not the same as being amazing at PR.

Considering there is not another US Navy to lend them some jets for filming, I'd suggest the DoD had a pretty strong hand.

Re:US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has i... by willcipriano on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @07:17PM (#36220438)
Stargate was a commercial for the Air Force in episodic form.
Re:US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has i... by unsupp0rted on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @07:22PM (#36220491)
They literally had the Air Force chief of staff play himself in an episode:

https://rdanderson.com/stargate/lexicon/entries/jumper.htm

Re:US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has i... by nonethewiser on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @08:50PM (#36221278)
Well normally if someone wants to make money off you they need to give you a cut. Thats not savyness from the DoD. Thats par for the course. They would be wildly incompetent if they let the film makers use the Navy for free.
Re:US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has i... by emmelaich on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @10:07PM (#36221940)
Operating an aircraft carrier is extremely expensive. Wikipedia says 6.5m PER DAY

> In 2013, the life-cycle cost per operating day of a carrier strike group (including aircraft) was estimated at $6.5 million by the Center for New American Security.

Re:US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has i... by unsupp0rted on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @07:19PM (#36220467)
It's unclear what the distances involved are. It might just be a few years or months of travel time, say for a loitering Von Neumann probe from the Kuiper belt.
Re:US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has i... by res0nat0r on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @07:28PM (#36220540)
A much more reality based explaination:

   This is just sad. I'll lay this on you, yes there is a classified crash 
   retrieval program, it's a SAP. It is about retrieving crashed UAVs from 
   adversarial countries and has nothing to do with aliens. Don't be a sucker 
   folks.
https://twitter.com/JackMurphyRGR/status/1665884263865110529
Re:US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has i... by ganoushoreilly on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @07:47PM (#36220723)
Both things could be true though. There are tons of SAPs out there that cover a multitude of very specific things. Most aren't aware of the others either, by nature of the SAP.
Re:US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has i... by res0nat0r on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @11:33PM (#36222520)
Sure, but there is ample evidence of human made flying aircraft, and those being shot down, and really none of the other.
Re:US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has i... by bloak on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @05:37AM (#36224769)
> I believe intelligent life may exist elsewhere in the universe, but that we’ve never been visited and will never be visited due to the distances involved.

I suspect that at least one and perhaps many alien intelligences have been here on Earth for a very long time and are observing us, but they're very good at staying hidden so probably we have never observed them and never will.

In the unlikely event that they ever did accidentally reveal themselves, probably they would cover it up to the extent possible while continuing to remain hidden.

Since these aliens will never interact with us in any significant manner, for practical purposes it doesn't matter whether they exist or not, and therefore I don't care very much whether they exist or not. Nevertheless, if, hypothetically, I had to make a bet with equal odds, I'd bet they do exist.

Re:US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has i... by ausqb on Friday June 09, 2023 @03:17AM (#36254415)
> There must be a reason behind the UFO media blitz

They already told us exactly why. Because there are unexplained phenomena which may pose a risk to national security, and they want to know more. Their intent is to reduce the stigma so that pilots and others are less afraid to report unusual sightings for proper investigation.

You don't have to believe in aliens to see the sense in this.