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Re:Google No Longer Automatically Indexes Websites – WTF? by gramie on Monday June 05, 2023 @11:13AM (#36197350)
I find Amazon really irritating for that. I do a search for a very specific thing, and a ton of results always come back, often having nothing to do with my search request. And sponsored results both at the top and scattered through the results.
Re:Google No Longer Automatically Indexes Websites – WTF? by cptskippy on Monday June 05, 2023 @11:41AM (#36197903)
Amazon is gotten so bad that unless I know an exact part number or model then I don't bother. I'll go somewhere else for any research and only come back to Amazon if I want to price shop what I found.
Re:Google No Longer Automatically Indexes Websites – WTF? by user_666 on Monday June 05, 2023 @12:14PM (#36198488)
Amazon is so bad that I shop on Walmart's website now.
Re:Google No Longer Automatically Indexes Websites – WTF? by hex4def6 on Monday June 05, 2023 @12:53PM (#36199195)
Even with an exact part number, it will often push related items first. I was searching for a specific thermal printer, literally using the PN (something like C18647585), and it still decided to show me "sponsored" and related thermal printers first. So it somehow knew that part number as a keyword for thermal printers, but just didn't want to show me the one result that actually would be helpful (it was a third party seller, so maybe that penalizes the result?)
Re:Google No Longer Automatically Indexes Websites – WTF? by xoxxala on Monday June 05, 2023 @12:28PM (#36198743)
I get better results by searching Amazon via DDG, Brave or Kagi. Amazon's search, especially for books, is nearly useless by comparison.
Re:Google No Longer Automatically Indexes Websites – WTF? by tedmiston on Monday June 05, 2023 @07:30PM (#36205827)
Luckily for us we have the high-quality, independent book data provider Goodreads! /s
Re:Google No Longer Automatically Indexes Websites – WTF? by winrid on Monday June 05, 2023 @08:45PM (#36206592)
I found goodreads search to be quite good, where's it lacking for you?
Re:Google No Longer Automatically Indexes Websites – WTF? by efreak on Monday June 05, 2023 @09:53PM (#36207077)
Amazon owns Goodreads. It's not independent. It's also not mentioned on the site afaik. (They also own IMDb and a bunch of other internet companies that aren't Amazon-branded). If you want something independent, try storygraph or librarything.
Re:Google No Longer Automatically Indexes Websites – WTF? by winrid on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @12:18PM (#36215087)
Yeah I knew about IMDB. I know a guy at Amazon that said IMDB used to actually be in Perl, they rewrote it in Java over a few years.
Re:Google No Longer Automatically Indexes Websites – WTF? by tedmiston on Thursday June 08, 2023 @02:16PM (#36246252)
Goodreads is tolerable, but mainly as a data source. The product itself has been in maintenance mode for... a decade?... or basically since the Amazon acquisition.

They rolled out a completely new design semi-recently for... half of the pages... and left the other half on the 10+ year old styles.

It just feels like Amazon is happy to take advantage of its dominant position with Goodreads having a more complete catalog than any of the other more open offerings. And yet, they seem to invest no effort in modernizing or improving the site, making it more performant, etc. The moderation tools kinda suck too — doing super common things like merging (incorrect) duplicate listings is a PITA.

Also the app exhibits blatant conflicts of interest like prioritizing buying new books from Amazon over, e.g., digital library loans, with no option for users to configure that.

Nothing I'm saying here is new though - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodreads#Criticism.

Re:Google No Longer Automatically Indexes Websites – WTF? by dredmorbius on Thursday June 08, 2023 @04:06AM (#36238691)
There's Worldcat, though its site revise last year made it useless for me.

I'm finding Open Library (part of the Internet Archive) is increasingly useful for book search.

You might also have success with a major library (e.g., British Library, Library of Congress, major US city libraries (NYC, Boston, LA, San Francisco, Chicago, etc.), and some academic libraries. Watch that these aren't in fact backed by Worldcat though. (Many local library systems are.)

Re:Google No Longer Automatically Indexes Websites – WTF? by kybernetikos on Monday June 05, 2023 @01:25PM (#36199687)
This is particularly bad if you search for a type of thing, e.g. "mechanical keyboard". Many of its top suggestions will be for nonmechanical keyboards and that won't be obvious without reading their descriptions carefully.
Re:Google No Longer Automatically Indexes Websites – WTF? by 0cf8612b2e1e on Monday June 05, 2023 @01:45PM (#36200065)
“Mechanical keyboard like”

What’s infuriating is how this lying has become normalized in “good” brands. For instance, try to buy a 60” TV. I do not think you can find one. They are all 59.5” and sold as ‘60” class’.

Re:Google No Longer Automatically Indexes Websites – WTF? by CamperBob2 on Monday June 05, 2023 @01:59PM (#36200291)
That usually means that discriminatory taxes or regulations are being dodged, for better or worse.
Re:Google No Longer Automatically Indexes Websites – WTF? by account42 on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @06:40AM (#36210709)
Perhaps that's one reason but it's also a >1% reduction in display area which is not nothing.
Re:Google No Longer Automatically Indexes Websites – WTF? by ajsnigrutin on Monday June 05, 2023 @07:11PM (#36205582)
Aliexpress is the worst for this...

"keyboard non mechanical like cherry switch membrane touch rgb light clicky gaming blogging ergonomic xiaomi redmi arduino android ios windows laptop desktop computer tablet phone", and if you sort by price, the first one is $0.99.

Then you have 5 different colors of plasticky $15 keyboards and a usb card reader for $0.99 to choose.

Re:Google No Longer Automatically Indexes Websites – WTF? by quickthrowman on Monday June 05, 2023 @06:36PM (#36205097)
Stop buying from Amazon. I haven’t bought anything from them in years. There is nothing that Amazon offers for sale that you can’t find somewhere else, aside from maybe entertainment content that they produce.

Don’t reward bad behavior or they’ll keep doing it.

Re:Google No Longer Automatically Indexes Websites – WTF? by account42 on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @06:45AM (#36210750)
What you can find on amazon that you can't find elsewhere (at least here):

- All your regular non-food needs in one cart.

- No-hassle refunds if there is a problem with the order.

The first one is just convenience and I could do without. The second one is where most other stores fail. Or at least enough of them that I don't want to risk having to phone their hotline or pay for shipping back because they or their delivery contractor fucked up - or is fraudulently claiming they tried to deliver when they made no such attempt at the specified address and instead want you to waste your time picking up the package at a random location accross town.