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Re:WFH – Watched from Home: Office 365 and workplace surveil... by wmf on Sunday June 04, 2023 @03:31PM (#36188730)
The productivity metrics aren't speculative - they are measurable.

So measure the output, not the mouse, not the keyboard, not the chair, etc.

Re:WFH – Watched from Home: Office 365 and workplace surveil... by hmmSceptical on Sunday June 04, 2023 @03:37PM (#36188789)
"output" only matters if your company is paid by "results" and isn't based on billable hours, otherwise ... "output" doesn't matter.

Law firms would love every case to be solved in 2 hours if they still got the same $ value from a case that dragged on for 6 months.

Re:WFH – Watched from Home: Office 365 and workplace surveil... by wmf on Sunday June 04, 2023 @03:41PM (#36188824)
Keep moving those goalposts.
Re:WFH – Watched from Home: Office 365 and workplace surveil... by hmmSceptical on Sunday June 04, 2023 @03:45PM (#36188873)
> Goalposts

You literally said "output" the most speculative / vague definition of "work" available.

I appreciate programmers / "creatives" "output" is much harder to measure, but there are alot of jobs where "mouse moving", "words per second" is a very reliable indicator of "output".

Re:WFH – Watched from Home: Office 365 and workplace surveil... by wizofaus on Sunday June 04, 2023 @04:08PM (#36189098)
Such as? And more importantly, is there the slightest evidence that putting such monitoring in place actually helps increase output?
Re:WFH – Watched from Home: Office 365 and workplace surveil... by michaelmrose on Sunday June 04, 2023 @05:31PM (#36189781)
Almost no jobs are meaningfully measured in such a fashion because it penalizes thinking at the expense of spinning your wheels even when latter is far less or even negative in value if it wastes other employees time as well. It also fails to capture any relationship between input and output. If all you care about is butts in seats you can bill someone else for there productivity means nothing all you want is someone to take as long as possible to produce a level of output the client will pay for.
Re:WFH – Watched from Home: Office 365 and workplace surveil... by candiddevmike on Sunday June 04, 2023 @04:01PM (#36189028)
This already happens. You really think places bill at cost?
Re:WFH – Watched from Home: Office 365 and workplace surveil... by qwytw on Sunday June 04, 2023 @04:33PM (#36189320)
Their clients are not paying for lawyers to sit on their chairs and click their keyboards. Billable hours is still completed specific work (even though it might not lead anywhere and/or help winning the case/etc. directly)