Re:Ask HN: How come YC startups offering <80k$/year?
by oezi on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @08:54AM
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I think many Europeans can't imagine moving to the US (higher work load, less social safety, higher violence) and employers well know it and can keep salaries depressed.
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Re:Ask HN: How come YC startups offering <80k$/year?
by hoffs on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @11:55AM
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More like people just don't want to leave their life behind... Those listed things are like the bottom of the reasons
Re:Ask HN: How come YC startups offering <80k$/year?
by jessekv on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @12:27PM
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On the other hand, I know dozens of people that left their life and higher salaries in the US behind to come to the EU for those stated reasons.
Re:Ask HN: How come YC startups offering <80k$/year?
by olyjohn on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @03:25PM
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Dozens even!
Re:Ask HN: How come YC startups offering <80k$/year?
by jessekv on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @04:11PM
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:D
Re:Ask HN: How come YC startups offering <80k$/year?
by 908B64B197 on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @04:55PM
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From my observation, the ratio of American Engineers coming to Europe vs Europeans Engineers coming to America is at least 1:10, if not more.
And most of the expats I know who did it seemed to be working for SV companies. So they didn't leave the higher salary behind.
Re:Ask HN: How come YC startups offering <80k$/year?
by jessekv on Wednesday May 31, 2023 @02:35AM
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Yes, it's definitely more than 1:10 overall. But the reasons to leave the US (unhealthy work load, less social safety, higher violence) are at the top of many people's minds when they move to Europe.
Re:Ask HN: How come YC startups offering <80k$/year?
by plandis on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @12:39PM
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In my experience the social safety net doesn’t really matter for highly skilled workers making hundreds of thousands of dollars per year. In terms of violence you’re statistically unlikely to be the victim of violent crime in the US as an upper class white collar worker.
Re:Ask HN: How come YC startups offering <80k$/year?
by janosdebugs on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @12:49PM
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It doesn't matter until it ends up mattering. Contracting an illness that prevents you from working and needs medical supervision can be life-ruining if your social security, etc. is tied to your employment.
Re:Ask HN: How come YC startups offering <80k$/year?
by mrkstu on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @01:09PM
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Most corps carry long term disability insurance- I’d make more on that than an equivalent Euro paying job.
Re:Ask HN: How come YC startups offering <80k$/year?
by adamckay on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @04:33PM
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Now add in vacation and sick days, as well as the worker protections for things such as layoffs.
Re:Ask HN: How come YC startups offering <80k$/year?
by oceanplexian on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @01:33PM
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It's unfair, but I'm of the opinion US healthcare is much better if you have the means to pay for it.
Look at all the top surgeons and hospitals in the world for everything from neurosurgery to cancer treatment. They're all in the United States. The median level of care might be much better in Europe but they are behind when it comes to cutting edge treatments, rare diseases, and so on.
Re:Ask HN: How come YC startups offering <80k$/year?
by ryan-c on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @01:57PM
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I'm an American living in the UK, and I've had to do medical tourism to the US. What I needed wasn't available outside the US at any price.
Re:Ask HN: How come YC startups offering <80k$/year?
by codegeek on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @02:40PM
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Yes. American health "care" is the best. Problem is with the "administration" that for basic stuff, there is crazy price gouging and no free market competition. It is ridiculous that you have to involve insurance in every visit to a doctor AND it's tied to your employer being able to provide something.
Re:Ask HN: How come YC startups offering <80k$/year?
by ryan-c on Wednesday May 31, 2023 @02:29AM
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I got a bill from a lab last year that was for about $1200, and when insurance denied it as out-of-network (it wasn't, the lab and the insurance company had some billing procedure issues) it was less than $100 somehow.
Out of stubbornness, I fought with the lab for months to bill it correctly, and eventually got them to write it off by emailing the CEO.
Re:Ask HN: How come YC startups offering <80k$/year?
by codegeek on Wednesday May 31, 2023 @10:21AM
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Sums up our healthcare "administration" well. Unfortunately, I have done this a few times myself and what a colossal waste of time.
Re:Ask HN: How come YC startups offering <80k$/year?
by june_twenty on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @06:55PM
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I would move to the USA if I could. As a European is that possible - e.g. don't you need a green card?
Re:Ask HN: How come YC startups offering <80k$/year?
by cpach on Wednesday May 31, 2023 @10:03AM
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AFAIK the easiest way is to start working in EU for a company that has offices in US. Then you can transfer.
Re:Ask HN: How come YC startups offering <80k$/year?
by mettamage on Wednesday May 31, 2023 @06:16AM
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I can’t just move to the US. I’ve applied around 100 times and only brilliant.org replied and gave me an interview. All the other companies stated that Europeans don’t have permission to work in the US (and it wasn’t stated anywhere)