Given Rust's Mozilla roots, I am not surprised they want to lace politics into their what-should-be apolitical product.

That's a pretty political statement Dale.

Right now it's being armed, eventually it will be thinking and stating wrongspeak.

Seen this song and dance play out so many times my notebook is rusty from age.

Sounds like your notebook is also really, really crabby.

why do you people always talk like cartoon villains

If it involves people, it will be political. There's absolutely zero way to avoid it short of it being a single-person project (and arguably even _that_ will be Political at the very least).

Ah yes "there is always x, so why shy from this x?", I wonder if there's a named logical fallacy for this, I think the closest might be "Moral Equivalence"

There will always be drama, there will always be politics, but I wonder how entities manage to graze by with broad support in those situations, possibly by being equitable, consistent and transparent? Just guessing.

Python doesn't have so much regarding internal struggles of power, same for Linux (BFDL might have his controversies but nobody is seriously considering forking the Kernel)- and that's one of the largest FOSS projects on the planet. Even when things get super sticky (like nvidia) people still broadly support Linux and the direction?

Why is that? There's politics, but we're not really complaining that there are politics, we're complaining that there's a essence of abuse here. We're complaining that there is a distinct lack of transparency, consistency, and a broad lack of what many would consider to be morally OK.

That's not really politics, but you could just roll it into the same word if you're dismissing a project for troubling elements that are non-technical. Politics being people and all.

> Ah yes "there is always x, so why shy from this x?", I wonder if there's a named logical fallacy for this, I think the closest might be "Moral Equivalence"

I absolutely did not say that, and would not say that. The person I was responding to was making a comment saying that a language shouldn't be political.

My point was that it's impossible to have a language that isn't political, simply by nature of it involving humans. They will disagree. They will need to make decisions. They will change their behaviour to get what they want, either consciously or subconsciously.

> Python doesn't have so much regarding internal struggles of power

What....? Python has all sorts of political crap going on. Take a look through the dev forums and mailing lists. Look at the various groups and subgroups of developers, the way they interact and organise around different perspectives etc.

There was a whole bunch of that leading up to Guido's eventual stepping down as BDFL, after the long fight to get PEP 572 out (walrus operator). He even called it out in his stepping down email.

Human rights are not political unless you're trying to reduce them. Mozilla justifiably did not want to work with someone who opposes certain human rights (including those of other employees), and that shouldn't be controversial or political.

What do human rights have to do with any of this? Isn't this about trademarks?

Are there humans involved? Then human rights are also involved.

I think they're dredging up Brendan Eich's opposition to gay marriage. But no, the latest kerfuffle isn't trademarks, either. If you're interested, it's all over r/rust.

I wasn't dredging it up. I was replying to someone who dredged it up first.

More context (by dang): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35583742

Rust was always a corporation/FAANG language when you looked at contributors and sponsors, so it's probably not real reason, I mean it is clear async was rushed out for AWS/Amazon and everyone celebrated it nonetheless.

People like to hide motives

I'm curious to the story behind async being rushed out for Amazon

The Amazon bit is new, but it's a pervasive myth that Rust's async was rushed. Also, that Pin<T> was a design mistake.

However, this is very strongly refuted. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26410487

Considering how long it took for async, and the depth of proposals, I wouldn't call it rushed at all.

Even more context: https://github.com/crablang/crab/issues/14