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Re:Senators issued satellite phones, offered demos on upgrad... by rapjr9 on Saturday May 27, 2023 @05:35PM (#36098576)
>Gibson said the phones are a security backstop in the case of an emergency that "takes out communications" in part of America.

Ummm, what about the rest of us? Large scale emergency preparations in the USA fell to the wayside long ago. Maybe the new satellite messaging features just starting to roll out would help, although I doubt they have been tested at scale with tens of millions of people trying to use them at the same time.

Re:Senators issued satellite phones, offered demos on upgrad... by poorUs on Saturday May 27, 2023 @05:44PM (#36098651)
What do you mean what about us? We got what we wanted; tech jobs, new phones each year, all the anime, Marvel, and Star Wars content we can stomach!

If the public wanted security and sustainability it should have acted less like a drunk in a whore house.

Re:Senators issued satellite phones, offered demos on upgrad... by LinuxBender on Saturday May 27, 2023 @06:14PM (#36098918)
If cost isn't an issue there are existing commercial satellite phones and phone services that have been around for quite some time see Iridium, Inmarsat, GlobalStar. Or if you want a middle-of-the-road option so to speak there is Garmin InReach service that would allow texting via the Iridium satellite network.

In this case the officials are being issued phones. Some companies issue phones to employees. If your job is critical during a catastrophic event then your company should issue you a satellite phone. Perhaps corporations could get bulk discounts. Each neighborhood's CERT team should maybe invest in at least one phone to text others.

Of course if they are planning for a full scale nuclear exchange then those options may be useless when the different layers of the atmosphere are charged. HAM radio operators or even CB radios may be more useful for local communications. Long distance would require a courier and a lot of bottle caps. I have no idea what they are actually planning for. Perhaps EMP floated in on a few balloons? that takes out power continent wide. Cell sites would operate off battery for a couple of hours assuming they even still work but their digital up-links would likely be fried.

Re:Senators issued satellite phones, offered demos on upgrad... by mikem170 on Saturday May 27, 2023 @07:18PM (#36099394)
> I have no idea what they are actually planning for.

The article said:

> The devices are part of a series of new security measures being offered to senators by the Senate Sergeant at Arms, who took over shortly after the assault on the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.

I assume they figure that the next insurrection may involve the loss of cellular communications, which is reasonable to expect from a decent coup attempt. The authorities might plan on jamming cell phones themselves, want to deprive the insurgents that communication channel.

Re:Senators issued satellite phones, offered demos on upgrad... by LinuxBender on Saturday May 27, 2023 @07:26PM (#36099447)
I did read that but just assumed it was hyperbole. Jan 6 was some broken windows and doors. A few had weapons but nothing high-tech. They had been planning that incursion for over a year on a public audio blog. I think the only real surprise was that the militia that normally wore Hawaiian shirts were not wearing them. Journalists from Frontline had been embedded with a few of the militias for a year leading up to the event and they had been coordinating with POTUS the entire time. These guys were not qualified or capable enough to cause a wide spread cellular outage.
Re:Senators issued satellite phones, offered demos on upgrad... by mikem170 on Saturday May 27, 2023 @07:35PM (#36099523)
But what happened on January 6 was enough that representatives had to flee. The people responsible for security would want to address the possibility of something like this, or worse, occurring in the future. Why would they not respond to this with improvements? Security forces have their own separate communications, it makes sense for representatives to be reachable in an emergency also. January 6 may have been a reminder of that, at the least.
Re:Senators issued satellite phones, offered demos on upgrad... by LinuxBender on Saturday May 27, 2023 @07:39PM (#36099566)
Why would they not respond to this with improvements?

They had every opportunity to improve the situation by having the nation guard present. They were offered and declined. The handful of capitol police could be overwhelmed by a Walmart super-sale stampede and it was not fair to make them absorb the known incoming assault. That is why it does not surprise me that the police let many of the invasion in without resistance on one side of the building. Those that resisted were easily overwhelmed. If anything I feel bad for those cops that were put in harms way.

Re:Senators issued satellite phones, offered demos on upgrad... by mikem170 on Saturday May 27, 2023 @08:03PM (#36099733)
> They had every opportunity to improve the situation by having the nation guard present.

I would assume that the circumstances around the deployment of National Guard are being looked at, also. The article didn't comment on this, they were talking about satellite phones. And satellite phones would still be useful in situations, such as what happened January 6, even if the national guard were present.

Re:Senators issued satellite phones, offered demos on upgrad... by LinuxBender on Saturday May 27, 2023 @08:15PM (#36099823)
And satellite phones would still be useful in situations, such as what happened January 6, even if the national guard were present.

Maybe it would be useful for a minute to the congressional folks on the upper floors. I would be surprised if either satellite or plain cellular would work at all in the hallway effectively a tunnel they were escorted to. Maybe cellular-over-wifi would work. Adding to this every office in the capitol building has a hard wired multi-line desk speaker phone.

All logistical communications would be by UHF trunked and P25 encrypted 2-way radios by capitol police assuming they were on the tactical channels. Their radios can also operate point-to-point without the need for a repeater. Politicians would be instructed to end their call and "Come this way".

Where cellphones would have been useful is if everyone started recording video and put their phones in shirt pockets to act like body cameras.

Re:Senators issued satellite phones, offered demos on upgrad... by jki275 on Saturday May 27, 2023 @09:05PM (#36100100)
You're not using a sat phone anywhere in those kinds of buildings ever. Those phones are hard enough to use standing in an open field looking at a clear sky while the sats are passing directly overhead.
Re:Senators issued satellite phones, offered demos on upgrad... by mikem170 on Saturday May 27, 2023 @09:06PM (#36100116)
I agree with what you said that satellite phones would not have been useful the day of January 6, 2021. You weren't saying that they shouldn't get satellite phones, right? Or that a security review prompted by January 6 has nothing to do with the decision to offer them satellite phones? Why would it be hyperbole?

I assume the security folks wanted to make them (the representatives) more secure in general, including having better communications, based on a review of January 6, and in some scenarios satellite phones would be useful. Like if they had to be evacuated, etc. Do you disagree?

Re:Senators issued satellite phones, offered demos on upgrad... by LinuxBender on Saturday May 27, 2023 @09:21PM (#36100183)
I respectfully think at this point we should agree to disagree as we are going in circles. There was no indication that cellular networks were at risk and all critical communication was being handled by capitol police over encrypted trunked two-way radios. The only thing members of congress should be doing is following directions from police. Senators being issued satellite phones would not have added an value to that incident. Those phones are useful on boats, islands and sometimes on trails but to jki275's point one needs a very clear view to the sky.

I still think the phones are for something else entirely.

Re:Senators issued satellite phones, offered demos on upgrad... by mikem170 on Saturday May 27, 2023 @09:42PM (#36100312)
Yeah, we are kind of missing the bigger picture. The article said there was a new Senate Sergeant at Arms after January 6, he offered representatives the phones, "to ensure a redundant and secure means of communication during a disruptive event."

So the phone may have been prompted by January 6, but were not necessarily intended for January 6 scenarios. For example, I assume these phones might come in handy if hackers or saboteurs took out or jammed the cell phone network while terrorists somewhere set off a tactical nuke, etc. It seems remiss not to have the infrastructure set up before hand. Senators using police radios may not be as secure as having communications prepared for them in advance, even if not perfect. Just in case.

Is that what you meant when you said that you thought the phones were for something else?

Re:Senators issued satellite phones, offered demos on upgrad... by Retric on Saturday May 27, 2023 @08:38PM (#36099957)
I think you’re understating what happened.

Several people were seriously injured in the January 6 incident/riot/insurrection. 138 police officers were officially injured in the line of duty on that day and they caused 2.7 million dollars in damages.

There are multiple death’s associated with the event though only the single death of a rioter by gunshot wound is a direct result of physical conflict. Still that’s far more than just some broken windows.

Re:Senators issued satellite phones, offered demos on upgrad... by LinuxBender on Saturday May 27, 2023 @08:41PM (#36099978)
I agree with all of that and would add that it could have all been avoided if they had not redirected the on-site national guard members to go hang out and eventually sleep for a month in a parking garage. The initial wave of 7000 troops would have been more than enough to keep everyone 500 feet from the building.
Re:Senators issued satellite phones, offered demos on upgrad... by rightbyte on Saturday May 27, 2023 @06:29PM (#36099037)
I got a feeling satellite phones wont help them, unless they prepare for getting lost on a hike to some forest.

Like, who are you going to call. Their phones are not working either.

Re:Senators issued satellite phones, offered demos on upgrad... by fragmede on Saturday May 27, 2023 @07:24PM (#36099441)
I suspect the US Army has a satellite phone or two, and I bet senators have the phone numbers of a general or two.
Re:Senators issued satellite phones, offered demos on upgrad... by perardi on Saturday May 27, 2023 @07:18PM (#36099396)
Well, you better be ready to pay up. Which is the inherent problem here.

Creating a robust, well-tested emergency satellite comms system that nobody uses day to day costs a lot of money to develop and maintain…and nobody wants to pay for that.

Re:Senators issued satellite phones, offered demos on upgrad... by toomuchtodo on Saturday May 27, 2023 @09:08PM (#36100123)
A 300 min annual prepaid plan with Iridium, retail rate, is ~$1400/year. Assuming no government discounts, you're looking at probably less than $2M-$3M in phone costs for 535 members of Congress and first year service, with <$2M/year service upkeep.

I assume it would be relatively straightforward to onboard another part of government assuming existing awards, based on my experience with US government contracting.

https://www.usaspending.gov/recipient/586ca912-a43c-d9a3-fbd...

Re:Senators issued satellite phones, offered demos on upgrad... by sliken on Sunday May 28, 2023 @12:31AM (#36101150)
Get some FRS radio (walky talky type) in a bubble pack, maybe get a few extras for neighbors, and befriend your local ham. Talk to neighbors about emergency plans so you can coordinate helping the needy, tracking water/food deliveries, and making sure those in need get their meds. Cheap/disposable radioes are good enough for talking to local neighbors and the ham can handle communications across the state, country, or even world if necessary.

After all in many emergencies the people you want to talk are local and likely don't have a sat phone.

Most cities have radio nets where they go over emergency plans for whatever earthquake/storm/fire emergencies are relevant. Often they help out with local events like bike/horse/marathon races that go outside the bounds of cell reception.

Re:Senators issued satellite phones, offered demos on upgrad... by i2cmaster on Sunday May 28, 2023 @12:49AM (#36101234)
IMO: HAMs will likely be more helpful than these will. This is more of the result of professional confusion/processes etc.
Re:Senators issued satellite phones, offered demos on upgrad... by hulitu on Sunday May 28, 2023 @10:18AM (#36104200)
> Ummm, what about the rest of us?

You will have to fight for your country. / s

Re:Senators issued satellite phones, offered demos on upgrad... by giantg2 on Sunday May 28, 2023 @08:08PM (#36109081)
"Large scale emergency preparations in the USA fell to the wayside long ago."

Not really. The preparations have shifted a little. It seems the government doesn't want to really encourage individuals to prepare the same way it did during the cold War, and to a certain point many individuals wouldn't care to anyways. I'd imagine a lot of that is to increase the reliance in the government and limit the number of people who have the resources to radicalize.

The government still stockpiles emergency response medications and has plans to distribute them. FEMA has all sorts of resources including COWs (cell on wheels) for communication. But really, communications are secondary for ordinary citizens. You'll still have emergency services who can communicate, hams (including RACE), and stuff like that. They're more worried about food, water, shelter, meds, and order.

On the personal side, we can just look at early covid. People were freaking out and panick buying. It wasn't a big deal for my family. We were raised to have about 2-4 weeks worth of food on hand and just rotate your stock as you buy new stuff. Whether it's a pandemic, storm, production issue, or attack, it's pretty good advice. It can even help if you lose your income suddenly.