Re:Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-sellin...
by alkonaut on Friday May 26, 2023 @03:08AM
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You only need the rear view for keeping an eye on traffic behind while on the road, so basically the window should be the size of the FoV in your rear view mirror.
For parking, I don't think I have looked at anything but cameras for the last 15 years. The camera is so much better than both looking backwards and using the center mirror. Especially with 360 cameras because you can then "look" backwards without missing anything happening elsewhere. I definitely bought my last car without 360 cameras several years ago.
Re:Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-sellin...
by Gravityloss on Friday May 26, 2023 @07:04AM
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And kids running behind the car when reversing. Honestly, visibility is in the top five criteria for me (others include driver's seat, sound proofing and big boot lid). Parking sensors and cameras of course help but are they a total substitute?
Re:Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-sellin...
by detaro on Friday May 26, 2023 @07:08AM
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The kids case is one where camera has a clear benefit I'd say. Even if you have clear visibility to the rear window, you just can't see anything below the window height. And anyone coming from the sides you'd not see through the rear window either - but a very open vehicle might be a tad better through the side windows? Although with cameras being added to side mirrors or vehicle corners (and large screens!), that can also be expanded.
Re:Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-sellin...
by CalRobert on Friday May 26, 2023 @07:42AM
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A good reason to have the windows down when reversing - at least then you have the benefit of hearing any kids behind you as well.
Re:Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-sellin...
by alkonaut on Friday May 26, 2023 @09:49AM
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Total substitute. And they have to be, because once you have them you ONLY look at the screen. There is no chance I'm even glancing in the useless top mirror, nor over my shoulder. I do switch between rear camera and 360 camera though, but it varies between car brands if that's necessary. In the best implementations you see both at the same time.
Re:Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-sellin...
by camillomiller on Friday May 26, 2023 @02:52AM
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Well the new Polestar solved the problem… by removing the rear window altogether and slapping a camera in its place.
Not joking, look it up!
Re:Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-sellin...
by mschuster91 on Friday May 26, 2023 @05:32AM
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How the fuck is that even road legal?
Re:Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-sellin...
by wizzzzzy on Friday May 26, 2023 @05:39AM
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There's plenty of vans that don't have any rear windows
Re:Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-sellin...
by latchkey on Friday May 26, 2023 @09:39PM
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My campervan (Promaster 2500) has rear windows, but it isn't like I can see anything out of them when I'm driving. Usually just leave them covered anyway.
Re:Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-sellin...
by qup on Friday May 26, 2023 @05:46AM
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I've only ever heard of a requirement for 2 mirrors. Those can be on the outside.
Re:Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-sellin...
by singleshot_ on Friday May 26, 2023 @05:18PM
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Varies by state in the us. Some require two mirrors and one must be outside on the left. Some are similar but on the right. Some states you need two outside if the one inside is blocked.
Re:Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-sellin...
by SideburnsOfDoom on Friday May 26, 2023 @06:12AM
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because you can see what's behind you? Via the camera, but that'd just a detail.
Re:Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-sellin...
by thevagrant on Friday May 26, 2023 @07:50AM
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I've had plenty of car cameras glitch out or stop working.
Re:Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-sellin...
by stephencanon on Friday May 26, 2023 @08:39AM
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To say nothing of getting crusted with road salt anytime you drive in winter.
Re:Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-sellin...
by SideburnsOfDoom on Friday May 26, 2023 @11:26AM
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I said that it's possible to get better. Not inevitable.
Re:Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-sellin...
by SideburnsOfDoom on Friday May 26, 2023 @06:15AM
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This is the Polestar 4 without the actual rear window https://uk.motor1.com/news/663436/why-polestar-4-has-no-rear...
Aside, IDK if the Polestar 4 is "the new Polestar".
The Polestar 2 is on the roads - I've seen them, and the 3 hasn't even shipped yet, now due in 2024: https://electrek.co/2023/05/11/polestar-delays-polestar-3-pr...
What does that make the 4?
The between the rear headrests and huge slanted C-pillars you had a tiny sheet of paper sized opening to see out. I honestly thought the mirrors were adjusted wrong and were looking at the roof. Couple that with a half-baked 360 reversing camera that turned every obstacle into a trapezoidal blur, reversing parking that car between two other cars at the end of the drive was terrifying experience.
Nice car though.