Lol no. They've saved millions of lives and trillions of dollars with no downside except in the minds of weirdo antivaxxers that p-hack their way into obviously false beliefs.

"They've saved millions of lives and trillions of dollars with no downside"

Somebody drank the Kool aid...

> Lol no

> weirdo antivaxxers

Good points, I'm sure you've put a lot of thought into this.

Every single public health professional in the world has, so I can just summarize. The modern world is pretty great.

> Every single public health professional

I beg to differ, but sure give it your best shot. Start with explaining the methodology behind the claim for "trillions of dollars saved", then continue with "no downsides".

The way you speak in absolutes is a sign you don't know what you're talking about.

Yes no thoughtful individual has ever used colloquial language good observation.

Doesn't africa have really low vaccination rate at like less than 25% in most countries?

Africa also has a population that is very young: A combination of both high birth rates and low life expectancy. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.

Yup. 60% of the continent’s population is under 25.

> All of the world's top 10 youngest countries by median age are in Africa, with Niger in first place with a median age of 15.1 years.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Youth_in_Africa

Maybe the point that since young people are at much less risk, it would have made sense to target the vaccines at the kinds of people that COVID was a threat to, and not quarantine us all fire anyone who didn't want to take it.

So does China and other Asian countries

Contra dozens of studies showing the effectiveness and number of deaths averted in countries with strong public health reporting and organization, the existence of lower rates of disease in some African countries with low vaccine uptake is persuasive to you?

Inform yourself, please: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36074830

Found the CNN watcher who did absolutely none of their own research.

Also swallowed the "vaccines saved 10 million lives" article headline whole and didnt dig into the methodology.

"No downside" hoo boy.. I would actually pay to fly you to meet with families of those injured or killed within a week of taking the vaccine.

It's been roughly two years since the initial rollouts, and more since the clinical trials. When will it stop being "too early to tell"?

We (in the U.S.) are giving these to 5-year-olds. We don't know if there will be developmental issues, and we won't for quite some time. Remember, Pfizer wanted to hide their data for 70 years until releasing it. [1]

[1]: https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/paramount-importanc...

> Remember, Pfizer wanted to hide their data for 70 years until releasing it. [1]

Please attempt to be honest with your critiques. The FDA (not Pfizer) said that with current staffing and funding levels, and given the rest of their FOIA requests, it would take 75 years to scrub and release the patient files for PII. As is completely routine, a judge told them this needed to be a priority so they would have to turn over the files in under a year.

Since then, they've turned over 780,000 pages of records and the plantiffs attorneys are all dropping off the case since they realize there's nothing there and they're just completely standard patient charts as the FDA had previously told them.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.txnd.35...

We don't know the long-term developmental effects of repeated infections either. There's no reasonable control group here.

> repeated infections

Do you mean infections with lower intensity? I still got infected second time with all the boosters. It was less intense perhaps, but not sure.

The first long term studies will be out in 2024