Elephants may be domesticating themselves

Re:Elephants may be domesticating themselves by idiotsecant on Tuesday May 23, 2023 @01:03PM (#36047264)

I think that 'take off' level of intelligence requires that increased intelligence lead to increased biological benefit. Those complex brains are expensive.

Since elephants aren't carnivores I don't think they would get much benefit out of the reasoning skills that enabled us to be really excellent pack hunters, which was probably why more intelligent ancestors of humans managed to out-compete the less intelligent ones.

If elephants gain abstract reasoning skills what does it get them? More efficient harvesting of bananas?

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Re:Elephants may be domesticating themselves by ftxbro on Tuesday May 23, 2023 @01:06PM (#36047324)

so if we want to evolve the most intelligent ai then we should make it a carnivorous pack hunter

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Re:Elephants may be domesticating themselves by swagasaurus-rex on Tuesday May 23, 2023 @01:38PM (#36047852)

T-800. Living tissue over a metal endoskeleton.

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Re:Elephants may be domesticating themselves by ianbicking on Tuesday May 23, 2023 @05:13PM (#36050932)

That's why I wonder if those times of extreme pressure, when human (or human-ancestor) populations dwindled to the thousands, cause this kind of adaptation. Like it wasn't just being carnivores or whatever, but that moment of having to rediscover survival as a species.

Like maybe if the Wilson Island Mammoths [1] had just a bit easier time of it, or their populations weren't quite as small (or by luck of the dice were much smarter!) then they could have survived.

In fact it would have really helped elephants if some of them were smart enough not to be made extinct by humans! Maybe if humans had been just a little less competent, pressuring but not exterminating the wooly mammoths...

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Re:Elephants may be domesticating themselves by jiggawatts on Tuesday May 23, 2023 @07:12PM (#36052003)

I had an idle shower thought that technological restrictions might result in hyper-intelligence.

E.g.: humans could reach high technology relatively easily because our environment and physiology enables tool use, etc…

But if “takeoff” is blocked, and evolution continues, then it might still be possible for an aquatic species to overcome the limitations of their environment — but only once they’ve reached the much higher level of intelligence required to find workarounds for their miriad problems!

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