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Re:The long life of Apache httpd 2.4 by ape4 on Saturday May 20, 2023 @06:05AM (#36010617)
Nginx has a Russian connection. Wikipedia: On 12 December 2019, it was reported that the Moscow offices of Nginx Inc. had been raided by police, and that Sysoev and Konovalov had been detained.
Re:The long life of Apache httpd 2.4 by cies on Saturday May 20, 2023 @06:20AM (#36010667)
Yes. Nginx was forked from Apache by a Russian programmer.

What do you try to imply with your statement?

FLOSS licenses allow software to be used for any purpose. This is a good thing, after seeing lists of "undesireable countries" in EULAs.

Re:The long life of Apache httpd 2.4 by formerly_proven on Saturday May 20, 2023 @06:50AM (#36010781)
> Nginx was forked from Apache

Source? I fail to see any similarities between the two.

Re:The long life of Apache httpd 2.4 by cies on Sunday May 21, 2023 @05:15AM (#36019167)
https://lwn.net/Articles/700060/

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=520077

Was it not? I find it hard to find sources, but I realllllly remember it started off as a heavily modified fork of Apache 1.3.

Re:The long life of Apache httpd 2.4 by formerly_proven on Sunday May 21, 2023 @05:36AM (#36019271)
Well both of those are some guy (maybe even the same person...) saying it's an Apache 1.3 fork without copyright notices. On the other hand the full revision history is available and even linked in your first link. Also https://forum.nginx.org/read.php?29,207540,207585

> nginx is not Apache fork. I know well enough Apache 1.3 and I've got some ideas from Apache such as memory pools, configuration methods, processing phases, etc., but there is no line of Apache code. As to OCSP, I'm going to implement it in the next 2.0 version.

edit: Assuming "brianm" is Brian McCallister, he would be a former ASF board member. If "jimjag" is Jim Jagielski, that would be one of the ASF founders.

Re:The long life of Apache httpd 2.4 by slt2021 on Sunday May 21, 2023 @08:54PM (#36026192)
these people are jealous that nginx was acquired by F5 for whopping $670 million, which is more like $800+ mlns in today's money.

not a bad sum for apache 1.3 fork...

Re:The long life of Apache httpd 2.4 by slt2021 on Sunday May 21, 2023 @02:40PM (#36023623)
Read interview from Sysoev himself about how nginx started

https://xakep.ru/2019/12/13/nginx-interview/

Re:The long life of Apache httpd 2.4 by wildylion on Tuesday May 23, 2023 @01:23PM (#36047608)
Not forked, but written from scratch and was used at Rambler at the time.

In 2019, Rambler tried to take over Nginx claiming dubious copyright infringement, putting the main author [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Sysoev|Igor Sysoev(w)] at risk.

Re:The long life of Apache httpd 2.4 by citrin_ru on Saturday May 20, 2023 @06:59AM (#36010833)
It was not a fork. Some ideas from apache which were good can be found in nginx (as well as many other web-servers), but not the code. Also nginx architecture is fundamentally different from apache of that time (pre event mpm).
Re:The long life of Apache httpd 2.4 by cies on Sunday May 21, 2023 @05:13AM (#36019158)
https://lwn.net/Articles/700060/

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=520077

Was it not? I find it hard to find sources, but I realllllly remember it started off as a heavily modified fork of Apache 1.3.

Re:The long life of Apache httpd 2.4 by reaperducer on Saturday May 20, 2023 @07:37AM (#36011024)
Yes. Nginx was forked from Apache by a Russian programmer. What do you try to imply with your statement?

I don't know that he was trying to imply anything. But I find it useful information, since there are lots of companies with IT Security departments that will more heavily scrutinized software based on its geographic origin.

When I joined my company, one of the first things I was tasked with was determining the origin of all of the software installed by my predecessor. Some of it got chucked out because it was from certain places.

And this was looong before anyone started dropping bombs in Kyiv.

It's not weird for a company in the UK to favor UK software, or a company in Japan to favor Japanese software, etc.

Re:The long life of Apache httpd 2.4 by ogurechny on Saturday May 20, 2023 @10:29AM (#36012209)
7 out of 10 tick mark checker specialists chose SolarWinds®™!
Re:The long life of Apache httpd 2.4 by slt2021 on Saturday May 20, 2023 @03:27PM (#36014805)
How can you write such nonsense with such a strong convincing tone?

Did you learn from chatGPT how to convicingly tell completely made up and false information?

Re:The long life of Apache httpd 2.4 by cies on Sunday May 21, 2023 @05:16AM (#36019168)
> How can you write such nonsense with such a strong convincing tone?

What part do you think is wrong? I must say you are quite creative with insults. Great skill!

https://lwn.net/Articles/700060/

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=520077

Re:The long life of Apache httpd 2.4 by slt2021 on Sunday May 21, 2023 @02:38PM (#36023614)
Read the interview from Sysoev himself and stop spreading false information

https://xakep.ru/2019/12/13/nginx-interview/

Re:The long life of Apache httpd 2.4 by lionkor on Saturday May 20, 2023 @07:40AM (#36011039)
I fail to see why this matters to choosing nginx or apache
Re:The long life of Apache httpd 2.4 by red_trumpet on Saturday May 20, 2023 @08:05AM (#36011195)
I guess that depends on your level of paranoia. If Russian intelligence services have access to the repos, they could put malicious code into nginx.
Re:The long life of Apache httpd 2.4 by 5e92cb50239222b on Saturday May 20, 2023 @08:10AM (#36011228)
It has belonged to an American company called F5 for years now. You should look for those evil Russians under your bed, I hear they like to hide there too.
Re:The long life of Apache httpd 2.4 by nurettin on Saturday May 20, 2023 @09:36AM (#36011831)
Those are probably the good Russians, hiding from the evil ones.
Re:The long life of Apache httpd 2.4 by foverzar on Saturday May 20, 2023 @10:38AM (#36012283)
That's kind of racist, tbh.
Re:The long life of Apache httpd 2.4 by nurettin on Saturday May 20, 2023 @01:43PM (#36013952)
Russian is not a race, but if it makes you uncomfortable, replace with whatever nationality you like.
Re:The long life of Apache httpd 2.4 by foverzar on Saturday May 20, 2023 @09:30PM (#36017175)
"Nationalistic" maybe?

Antisemitism is often referred to as "racism" and the specific domain of the word "Russian" is varied from person to person, so thanks for nitpick I guess?

In any case, I was referring to that specific "evil ${ethnicity/nationality/culture}" trope, tracing back to the day when Belarus and Ukraine had also been referred to as "Russians"

> replace with whatever nationality you like.

It has a ring of "evil Jews" to it. That's the replacement placeholder I use as a benchmark of wether something is appropriate to say out-loud.

Re:The long life of Apache httpd 2.4 by lionkor on Saturday May 20, 2023 @01:12PM (#36013679)
I went to Russia during the war multiple times, lived with Russians in their homes, ate their food, talked to them - and obviously committed my code and worked on my projects with their internet. I used their delivery service(s), their taxi service, use their music streaming service, and so on.

Not ONCE have I had any negative experience, invasion of my privacy, with any russian product.

The only negativity I experienced was caused by services I pay for (as a German) being blocked because I was in Russia.

I strongly urge people to reconsider that the Russian people are not evil, and that Russian intelligence services do not give a fuck about random people using services in Russia. Now consider that Nginx is not in Russia, its open source, and quickly it becomes clear that this whole discussion is motivated only by a boogie-man type fearmongering and nothing else.

You should be much more afraid of any tech that isnt open source, that you use, than this.

Apologies for the tone - I am just very sick and tired of this kind of talk, and as a German it reminds me of what we read in our own history books about inducing fear based on where one is from.

Re:The long life of Apache httpd 2.4 by TylerE on Saturday May 20, 2023 @05:37PM (#36015846)
How would you know if they had?
Re:The long life of Apache httpd 2.4 by lionkor on Sunday May 21, 2023 @04:54AM (#36019072)
Innocent until proven guilty vanishes from people's minds as soon as its mildly inconvenient
Re:The long life of Apache httpd 2.4 by elzbardico on Saturday May 20, 2023 @11:00AM (#36012467)
There are plenty of Russian-born programmers in the US. Aren't you afraid some of them may be KGB agents? Sergey Brin is a very suspect name by the way. Let's call Senator McCarthy's office to talk about this Russian menace.
Re:The long life of Apache httpd 2.4 by slt2021 on Saturday May 20, 2023 @03:01PM (#36014613)
^above is ChatGPT style output: found mention of Russia in nginx’s wikipedia and immediately made conclusions (c)

Very sad times await us if people will start forming their opinions based On what chatgpt hallucinates to them or what they find from quick skim of wikipedia page

Guess what, ape: Google has russian connection too (Sergey Brin) and even your chemistry books have russian connection (Mendeleev)