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Re:Supreme Court Rules Andy Warhol’s Prince Art Is Copyright... by mjr00 on Thursday May 18, 2023 @02:15PM (#35991937)
This ruling has next to nothing to do with generative AI.

If anything, the fact that there was enough ambiguity that it took 35+ years for a court to decide that someone tracing a photograph was, in fact, not fair use is a good indication that it will be very hard to use current laws to stop outputs of generative AI that have been trained on copyrighted material.

Re:Supreme Court Rules Andy Warhol’s Prince Art Is Copyright... by lesuorac on Thursday May 18, 2023 @02:23PM (#35992035)
I think parts of the ruling has a lot to do with generative AI.

The big problem for Warhol is that people paid for the image he produced instead of paying for the original photograph for use as a reference to Prince's likeness. So the works were for the same purpose.

If you use generative AI to produce a 3d State of Liberty for your video game I doubt you'll end up losing a case by a photographer of the Statue of Liberty because the purposes are actually different. But if you are using generative AI of stock imagery to produce stock imagery I think you're going to run into the same problem as Andy Warhol's foundation did.

Re:Supreme Court Rules Andy Warhol’s Prince Art Is Copyright... by judge2020 on Thursday May 18, 2023 @02:32PM (#35992171)
Based off of current copyright statutes, nothing about generative AI creating stock photos by being trained on stock photos would violate copyright law; only if it was substantially similar to an existing work and was not transformative of that existing work. Just because the AI (read: the human) has seen work doesn't mean that creating a photo with the same subject and even with the same framing and techniques is inherently infringement.
Re:Supreme Court Rules Andy Warhol’s Prince Art Is Copyright... by lesuorac on Thursday May 18, 2023 @02:41PM (#35992297)
> only if it was substantially similar to an existing work and was not transformative of that existing work

That's a giant only.

If the resulting image is nothing close to the source image then yes I agree you're unlikely to lose any copyright case.

But its the cases where they are similar that anybody cares. I pick the word "stock imagery" for a specific reason; I do no see a way that you can have a transformative use of stock imagery since its use is so vague. And a reminder (with a quote this time) transformative does not refer to the production it refers to the use.

If you painted every single stock imagery you could find and let companies license those paintings (or pictures of your paintings) instead of using the source stock imagery I believe you'd lose a copyright lawsuit.

> [1] AWF contends that the Prince Series works are “transformative,” and that the first fair use factor thus weighs in AWF’s favor, because the works convey a different meaning or message than the photograph. But the first fair use factor instead focuses on whether an allegedly infringing use has a further purpose or different character

[1]: https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/22pdf/21-869_87ad.pdf

Re:Supreme Court Rules Andy Warhol’s Prince Art Is Copyright... by ethbr0 on Thursday May 18, 2023 @02:45PM (#35992339)
Training a model on a bunch of images by {artist}, and then telling it "Generate me 20 images in the style of {artist}" seems pretty close to this ruling.

It's non-transformative in the legal sense that {an original image by X} and {a generated image in the style of X} are likely used for the exact same purpose (be it display, advertisement, whatever).

Re:Supreme Court Rules Andy Warhol’s Prince Art Is Copyright... by lesuorac on Thursday May 18, 2023 @02:49PM (#35992403)
I think it would need to be a bit more than just that.

If you have a Picaso style advertisement for Ford its probably transformative w.r.t. any of Picaso's works since none of them as-is could be used for that advertisement. There's no way Picaso painted any Ford motor vehicles.

As well as if you used those imagery as an example of the generative capabilities the originals wouldn't suit that purpose. Or if you had a collection of AI generated art then the originals also wouldn't work.

Re:Supreme Court Rules Andy Warhol’s Prince Art Is Copyright... by mjr00 on Thursday May 18, 2023 @02:55PM (#35992466)
> Training a model on a bunch of images by {artist}, and then telling it "Generate me 20 images in the style of {artist}" seems pretty close to this ruling.

No, it's not close at all. Did you look at the images in question for the ruling? Warhol's picture is very clearly a tracing of the photograph. Unless you're using the AI to generate an almost-exact copy of one of the training images, this ruling does not apply.

Re:Supreme Court Rules Andy Warhol’s Prince Art Is Copyright... by freejazz on Thursday May 18, 2023 @05:17PM (#35994168)
The decision is not an infringement decision. AWF did not dispute the finding that the images are substantially similar.
Re:Supreme Court Rules Andy Warhol’s Prince Art Is Copyright... by judge2020 on Thursday May 18, 2023 @06:35PM (#35995160)
> The decision is not an infringement decision

> Supreme Court rules Andy Warhol’s Prince art is copyright infringement

And fair use is the main exemption to copyright, and that was decided here.

Re:Supreme Court Rules Andy Warhol’s Prince Art Is Copyright... by freejazz on Friday May 19, 2023 @12:28PM (#36003778)
No it wasn't decided there. There is no analysis as to whether the image is infringing or not and it's not even a debate, because the warhol foundation admitted the pictures were substantially similar.
Re:Supreme Court Rules Andy Warhol’s Prince Art Is Copyright... by Dylan16807 on Friday May 19, 2023 @08:33PM (#36008312)
Even better for AI, then, if the supreme court was divided on whether such a small change is a valid use even with similarity assumed.
Re:Supreme Court Rules Andy Warhol’s Prince Art Is Copyright... by davorak on Thursday May 18, 2023 @07:05PM (#35995530)
> Training a model on a bunch of images by {artist}, and then telling it "Generate me 20 images in the style of {artist}" seems pretty close to this ruling.

Maybe, but that is not how dalle and other generative AI work right now it is trained on a huge number artists and images. Not just mixing and matching from images from one artist even if you ask for something in one artists style. Generated an images that falls under copyright seems possible, but automatic.

Re:Supreme Court Rules Andy Warhol’s Prince Art Is Copyright... by Bjorkbat on Thursday May 18, 2023 @03:14PM (#35992700)
I was actually watching this case precisely because it has implications for generative AI
Re:Supreme Court Rules Andy Warhol’s Prince Art Is Copyright... by freejazz on Thursday May 18, 2023 @05:16PM (#35994157)
That's a complete misunderstanding of the issues present in this case, which were very nuanced. I say this as a copyright litigator. And I'm happy to explain further if you'd like.
Re:Supreme Court Rules Andy Warhol’s Prince Art Is Copyright... by menro2 on Friday May 19, 2023 @04:56PM (#36006761)
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