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Re:DuckDuckGo owns the #2 position in mobile market share in... by kevin_thibedeau on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @03:43PM (#35980246)
Everything related to the lab leak has been systematically suppressed for spurious reasons despite no proof that it isn't a possibility. I had Chinese national friends and colleagues (most of them party members) talking about it in January 2020 from Chinese sourced media before Western media had any awareness at all on the matter.
Re:DuckDuckGo owns the #2 position in mobile market share in... by f6v on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @04:00PM (#35980481)
> despite no proof that it isn't a possibility

Because you don’t get to come up with a “theory” and dump the burden of the proof on someone else. That’s incredibly stupid. Not how how science and common sense work.

Re:DuckDuckGo owns the #2 position in mobile market share in... by STM32F030R8 on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @04:17PM (#35980715)
Since when? It may not be a good argument but should we be deplatforming people over it? Go to Reddit front page right now and try to find something that isn’t a poorly argued political post. What’s the difference? Just because you may disagree with someone it doesn’t mean they NEED to be silenced.
Re:DuckDuckGo owns the #2 position in mobile market share in... by stonogo on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @04:21PM (#35980766)
Politics is about how you think things should be run. Science is about what we have evidence for. They are not the same thing.
Re:DuckDuckGo owns the #2 position in mobile market share in... by ipaddr on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @04:28PM (#35980853)
Science is about coming up with a hypnosis or theory and testing it.

The evidence comes at the end not before the theory

Re:DuckDuckGo owns the #2 position in mobile market share in... by muti on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @05:06PM (#35981281)
We don't give any credence to untested hypotheses
Re:DuckDuckGo owns the #2 position in mobile market share in... by stonogo on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @08:53PM (#35983013)
We generally don't employ hypnosis. Sometimes we even skip the hypothesis step, because "what the hell is that" is enough to start generating data. Don't confuse all of scientific research with the scientific method; it's just one method of investigation.
Re:DuckDuckGo owns the #2 position in mobile market share in... by f6v on Thursday May 18, 2023 @02:39AM (#35984744)
A theory is usually based on some prior knowledge or observations. But let’s forget that for a second. In the anti-vax case, their argument is: “All your research in favor of vaccinating the population is wrong. We don’t have any evidence for it, but you should turn your public health policy 180 degrees!”. I don’t why it’s so hard to grasp the issue.
Re:DuckDuckGo owns the #2 position in mobile market share in... by josephcsible on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @07:22PM (#35982478)
Are you saying that people shouldn't get to publicly say anything that they don't have proof of?
Re:DuckDuckGo owns the #2 position in mobile market share in... by f6v on Thursday May 18, 2023 @12:39PM (#35990528)
I think in practice free speech should be limited if it’s clearly damaging. In case of anti-vax movement, it’s just crystal clear that allowing them to spread the word was detrimental to public health. So I’m in favor banning those who use their rights to free speech to undermine the policies and efforts that are put forward to save lives.

And I see how the concept of “misinformation” can be used very broadly to silence political opponents. But I do wish there was a perfect solution.

Re:DuckDuckGo owns the #2 position in mobile market share in... by josephcsible on Thursday May 18, 2023 @01:25PM (#35991276)
> I think in practice free speech should be limited if it’s clearly damaging.

The problem with that position is, who decides what counts as "clearly damaging"? What if the government and media were extremely anti-vaccine and chose to censor pro-vaccine speech instead, calling it "clearly damaging"?

Re:DuckDuckGo owns the #2 position in mobile market share in... by Lendal on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @04:02PM (#35980511)
I don't think it's spurious to require evidence first before spreading possibly false narratives.
Re:DuckDuckGo owns the #2 position in mobile market share in... by SketchySeaBeast on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @04:01PM (#35980499)
> despite no proof that it isn't a possibility

That seems like a slightly tortured double negative.

Re:DuckDuckGo owns the #2 position in mobile market share in... by BizarroLand on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @04:52PM (#35981145)
It's like the argument between internet atheists and internet Christians.

Christians say God exists

Atheists say God doesn't exist.

Christians tell the atheists to prove that God doesn't exist.

Atheists say you can't disprove a negative.

Christians take that as winning the argument.

Atheists take that as Christians being stupid and close minded.

Atheists counter with telling the Christians to prove God does exist.

Christians say you have to take it on faith.

Repeat ad nauseum extremis infinitum.