Re:The complicated history of how the Earth’s atmosphere bec...
by Maursault on Monday May 15, 2023 @12:54PM
(#35951142)
> Life began in that alien environment, and at some point between 3.2 and 2.8 billion years ago, cyanobacteria began to use sunlight to split hydrogen from water, discarding oxygen as waste.
David Attenborough brilliantly explains the beginning of life and the role of cyanobacteria in the first episode of Life on Earth (1979), "The Infinite Variety,"[1] (in less than 20 minutes; doesn't need to be that long, but I wanted to catch him riding the mule, sooooo... strap in and enjoy).
Re:The complicated history of how the Earth’s atmosphere bec...
by yarg on Monday May 15, 2023 @06:24PM
(#35955326)
The air was never unbreathable in any meaningful sense - it was altered in a way that provided an abundant new resource that permitted the evolution of new forms of life.
Re:The complicated history of how the Earth’s atmosphere bec...
by ethanbond on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @03:32PM
(#35980092)
This is definitely a useful way to frame this for some purposes. For other purposes it’s important to understand that our current good-for-humans-atmosphere is a happy, ridiculously complex accident, and potentially a fragile one.
Re:The complicated history of how the Earth’s atmosphere bec...
by namaria on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @06:59PM
(#35982302)
Life doesn't evolve to cope with anything. Life evolves as it adds variety and some of it gets cut down by the environment. Narratives implying teleology are misleading and wrong.
Re:The complicated history of how the Earth’s atmosphere bec...
by smeagull on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @09:30PM
(#35983262)
Metaphor is a common and delightful way to use language - you should try it sometime. It helps avoid the delusion that language has some inherent amount of rigor or correctness. Or that grammatical rules actually exist unchanging rather than being rules written by people making them up from the types of language and speaker that they approve of.
Re:The complicated history of how the Earth’s atmosphere bec...
by beders on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @02:40PM
(#35979459)
It's a terrible title and a terrible article altogether.
> Biology, geology, and chemistry all worked together to make the present atmosphere.
No, no one "worked together".
And Earth never was an "Alien planet".
Life evolved alongside any challenges that a changing planet posed to it. Including changes induced by organisms.
Life still is evolving today and hopefully will continue to do so.
Also titles like this imply that the evolution of our planet and life is somehow guided or is directed to support humans. Or that humans are the crown jewel of evolution.
Au contraire. We are a pretty shitty product of evolution and are a danger to evolution itself since we acquired the intelligence and technology to change DNA of creatures based on our whims.
(We did this for centuries through artificial selection. Now we can do it more directly)
Re:The complicated history of how the Earth’s atmosphere bec...
by fimbulvetr on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @03:12PM
(#35979845)
That's not the implication I got at all. Coupled with the photo, it really did seem like it would be an "Alien Plant" had I been able to be there. As far as "working together" - wow, you really look that literally. I don't think he meant they were conspiring by text on whatsapp.
Re:The complicated history of how the Earth’s atmosphere bec...
by qubex on Thursday May 18, 2023 @02:15AM
(#35984613)
Precisely — whatever ‘us’ is inferred to be, we’d have to be able to breathe whatever atmosphere we are immersed in. There’s selection bias at work here.
Re:The complicated history of how the Earth’s atmosphere bec...
by pfdietz on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @03:08PM
(#35979793)
It's not clear why the Earth's oxygen has been somewhat stable since the Precambrian. If you kill all plants, oxygen goes away (reacting with reduced materials exposed by erosion and released in volcanism) in just a few million years. It could be an observer selection effect: if it had ever dropped too low in that time, we wouldn't be here now.
Re:The complicated history of how the Earth’s atmosphere bec...
by mensetmanusman on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @10:15PM
(#35983480)
The calculations currently work out that the dumb luck is so incredibly lucky that it doesn't seem feasible to have happened in the observable universe due to the number of zeros involved.
Re:The complicated history of how the Earth’s atmosphere bec...
by cvoss on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @11:22PM
(#35983820)
But the whole point of the anthropic argument for anything (oxygen, goldilocks earth, fine tuning) is that it doesn't matter how slim the odds are. We cannot observe a universe where the lucky thing doesn't happen because we can't exist in such universe.
Re:The complicated history of how the Earth’s atmosphere bec...
by ur-whale on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @04:21PM
(#35980768)
I don't get the concept at all.
Earth's atmosphere didn't "become breathable".
Rather, species evolved to survive within whatever the environment was at the time and also had an effect on the atmosphere itself, thereby killing other species in a very complicated dance.
Re:The complicated history of how the Earth’s atmosphere bec...
by chasil on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @09:35PM
(#35983286)
Carbon dioxide was breathable fuel for cyanobacteria prokaryotes.
The oxygen was their waste product, and it poisoned them when the concentration grew too high.
They had to wait for natural weathering to take the oxygen out of the atmosphere before they had another cycle of flourishing.
"Cyanobacteria are a very large and diverse phylum of photoautotrophic prokaryotes... cyanobacteria are thought to have converted the early oxygen-poor, reducing atmosphere into an oxidizing one, causing the Great Oxidation Event and the "rusting of the Earth", which dramatically changed the composition of life forms on Earth."
Re:The complicated history of how the Earth’s atmosphere bec...
by so-and-so on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @09:37PM
(#35983293)
> Life began in that alien environment, and at some point between 3.2 and 2.8 billion years ago, cyanobacteria began to use sunlight to split hydrogen from water, discarding oxygen as waste.
Think this is wrong. The discarded oxygen during photosynthesis comes only from splitting CO2.
"In general, photosynthesis in cyanobacteria uses water as an electron donor and produces oxygen as a byproduct, though some may also use hydrogen sulfide[77] a process which occurs among other photosynthetic bacteria such as the purple sulfur bacteria."
David Attenborough brilliantly explains the beginning of life and the role of cyanobacteria in the first episode of Life on Earth (1979), "The Infinite Variety,"[1] (in less than 20 minutes; doesn't need to be that long, but I wanted to catch him riding the mule, sooooo... strap in and enjoy).
[0] https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2i43qc?start=673
The wiki goes on to speculate that eukaryotes were required to solve this problem, which is an enormous amount of time for such toxicity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Oxidation_Event
During the cretaceous, oxygen increased so substantially that it would be obversely toxic to modern life, too much instead of too little.
This crushing limit lasted for billions of years, until the age of eukaryotes.
This step is as much of a mystery as the Cambrian Explosion.
> Biology, geology, and chemistry all worked together to make the present atmosphere.
No, no one "worked together". And Earth never was an "Alien planet".
Life evolved alongside any challenges that a changing planet posed to it. Including changes induced by organisms. Life still is evolving today and hopefully will continue to do so.
Also titles like this imply that the evolution of our planet and life is somehow guided or is directed to support humans. Or that humans are the crown jewel of evolution.
Au contraire. We are a pretty shitty product of evolution and are a danger to evolution itself since we acquired the intelligence and technology to change DNA of creatures based on our whims. (We did this for centuries through artificial selection. Now we can do it more directly)
That’s evidence that it didn’t here, but not an explanation as to why or how.
https://impacts.to/downloads/lowres/impacts.pdf#page=11
Kudos.
Earth's atmosphere didn't "become breathable".
Rather, species evolved to survive within whatever the environment was at the time and also had an effect on the atmosphere itself, thereby killing other species in a very complicated dance.
The whole notion implied by the title is wrong.
The oxygen was their waste product, and it poisoned them when the concentration grew too high.
They had to wait for natural weathering to take the oxygen out of the atmosphere before they had another cycle of flourishing.
"Cyanobacteria are a very large and diverse phylum of photoautotrophic prokaryotes... cyanobacteria are thought to have converted the early oxygen-poor, reducing atmosphere into an oxidizing one, causing the Great Oxidation Event and the "rusting of the Earth", which dramatically changed the composition of life forms on Earth."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanobacteria
Think this is wrong. The discarded oxygen during photosynthesis comes only from splitting CO2.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanobacteria#Metabolism
"In general, photosynthesis in cyanobacteria uses water as an electron donor and produces oxygen as a byproduct, though some may also use hydrogen sulfide[77] a process which occurs among other photosynthetic bacteria such as the purple sulfur bacteria."
* I found it by searching for "oxygen"
Contrary to grandparent, in oxygenic photosynthesis, the oxygen does come from splitting water. The resulting hydride used to "charge" an electron carrier: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photodissociation#Photolysis_i...
The CO2 gets fixed into carbohydrates. Some water is generated in that process, but no molecular oxygen.