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Re:New TLDs: Not Bad by crazygringo on Saturday May 13, 2023 @02:40PM (#35931333)
I just think it's annoying that if I see a reference to "foo.zip" or "foo.mov" it's not immediately clear whether it's a file or a domain.

The fact that file extensions and TLD's were roughly the same length in the same format wasn't a big issue, when it's generally understood that ".com" and ".edu" are domains, while ".jpg" and ".mp4" are files. (And as the author states ".com" files are rarely seen by users anymore.)

But if the .zip domain takes off, it's just adding a little bit more cognitive load. Sure, hopefully it's usually clear whether somebody's discussing a filename or a domain name from context. But not always, and that's annoying and anti-user.

So really, it's just like... of all the possible TLD's, is there really any benefit to picking ones that are also common filename extensions? Is our economy really going to suffer if we say, hey let's not make things like .txt and .doc into domains as well? There are tons of other TLD's we can create instead.

Re:New TLDs: Not Bad by mc32 on Saturday May 13, 2023 @02:48PM (#35931419)
Yeah I think there is potential for confusion given users have been warned for years not to download zipped files as they could harbor malicious payloads, now they have to think is it a link to a file or a tld?
Re:New TLDs: Not Bad by toomim on Saturday May 13, 2023 @03:23PM (#35931787)
So if it's a domain, you should fully qualify it: https://foo.zip.

Over time, this can become a convention. Part of the price you pay in using a .zip domain will be that software doesn't auto-linkify it unless you prefix it with http(s)://.

Re:New TLDs: Not Bad by mike503 on Saturday May 13, 2023 @03:27PM (#35931825)
And with chrome leading it (IIRC) and other browsers following, end users don't even see http or https:// prefixes in their browser bar anymore. Further adding to confusion.

I don't see a reason for adding these new TLDs other than a cash grab.

Re:New TLDs: Not Bad by em-bee on Saturday May 13, 2023 @03:42PM (#35931969)
hiding the protocol prefixes was always a bad idea. the .zip domain would be an argument to revert that. but i don't have high hopes.
Re:New TLDs: Not Bad by None4U on Saturday May 13, 2023 @03:39PM (#35931950)
But domains and protocols are orthogonal?
Re:New TLDs: Not Bad by dubcee349 on Saturday May 13, 2023 @03:32PM (#35931868)
W W W PERIOD FOO PERIOD ZIP
Re:New TLDs: Not Bad by mock-possum on Sunday May 14, 2023 @04:11AM (#35936287)
SLASH DOT DASH DOT SLASH DOT DASH DOT SLASH DOT DASH DOT COM DOT COM DOT COM
Re:New TLDs: Not Bad by simlevesque on Saturday May 13, 2023 @03:52PM (#35932058)
The domain has no relation to the protocol. I can own domains and never use http or https on them.
Re:New TLDs: Not Bad by CydeWeys on Saturday May 13, 2023 @04:01PM (#35932140)
Right but if you're not hosting Web content then you wouldn't want it linkified in a Web context. If you're using it for something else, e.g. SMTP, then you'd represent the domain name differently as [email protected]
Re:New TLDs: Not Bad by hammyhavoc on Sunday May 14, 2023 @08:13AM (#35937403)
Why wouldn't someone follow the standard of prefixing it with an appropriate subdomain? E.g., `smtp` or `imap` if it's something they're going to be discussing publicly?

Furthermore, why not use port numbers as a suffix? That's how we can have umpteen services across different protocols on a single domain.

Re:New TLDs: Not Bad by waboremo on Saturday May 13, 2023 @03:34PM (#35931883)
This solution only works if you believe no filename extensions will ever be created (or popularized) from here on out.

So, instead of hoping for that, why not search for solutions that actually will stand the test of time and aren't as fragile as "freeze the filename extensions!"

Also one of the really funny parts of this entire debate is the focus on filenames when most average people aren't even aware of their existence. Windows and Mac have hidden them by default for years now. It's only an image if it shows the image thumbnail, it's only a folder if it shows the folder icon, and so on. I bring this up because it shows how fragile this solution is. You can't get people to adhere to the rule of looking out for ".zip" if they don't even know it exists!

Re:New TLDs: Not Bad by thomasahle on Saturday May 13, 2023 @03:51PM (#35932055)
> This solution only works if you believe no filename extensions will ever be created (or popularized) from here on out.

It works if you just don't believe a filename extension like .com or .net will be popular in the future. Personally I don't think they will, as people rightly find it annoying if the clash with TLDs.

Re:New TLDs: Not Bad by waboremo on Saturday May 13, 2023 @04:58PM (#35932647)
Not much of a solution if it requires hoping something doesn't become popular in the future. That's more like a hot potato you've just passed on.
Re:New TLDs: Not Bad by thomasahle on Saturday May 13, 2023 @08:52PM (#35934317)
In fact, if something like a .net file does become popular, it just shows that people don't care as much as I assumed, and so the problem has solved itself.
Re:New TLDs: Not Bad by schwartzworld on Saturday May 13, 2023 @05:35PM (#35932989)
Would you settle for it being popular in the past? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/COM_file
Re:New TLDs: Not Bad by soraminazuki on Saturday May 13, 2023 @07:54PM (#35933998)
That predates widespread use of the internet. Also by the time Internet Explorer took off, COM files ceased to be relevant.

So no, COM files aren't relevant at all in this discussion.

Re:New TLDs: Not Bad by schwartzworld on Saturday May 13, 2023 @09:01PM (#35934362)
My first internet computer ran dos and Windows 3.1 and it was chock full of .com executables.
Re:New TLDs: Not Bad by soraminazuki on Sunday May 14, 2023 @12:46AM (#35935387)
Almost no one had internet access back then and Internet Explorer didn't even exist at the time of Windows 3.1's release. So still not relevant.
Re:New TLDs: Not Bad by awesome_dude on Saturday May 13, 2023 @03:58PM (#35932105)
I'm sure that bagder (https://twitter.com/bagder) tweeted about this, but I cannot find the tweet (either I'm losing it, bagder deleted it, or twitter's search is broken)

At any rate, `.com` is a (windows) file extension and we've not been too fussed about that as a TLD for the last 40 years.

Re:New TLDs: Not Bad by noizejoy on Saturday May 13, 2023 @04:02PM (#35932154)
In response to the new TLDs I’ve made www. the official primary part of most of my websites.

www.example.com would be the primary, and example.com redirects to www.example.com

It’s my simple approach to overcome the cognitive overload issue.

Re:New TLDs: Not Bad by dingusdew on Saturday May 13, 2023 @04:09PM (#35932217)
We've done a full reversal and instead of dropping the www because its a given, now we're having to bring it back because it's not a given.
Re:New TLDs: Not Bad by IceWreck on Saturday May 13, 2023 @05:14PM (#35932798)
Even if its not a given just set it www.yourdomain.tld to redirect to yourdomain.tld
Re:New TLDs: Not Bad by yakubin on Saturday May 13, 2023 @04:09PM (#35932216)
It's not a new problem. The Polish TLD is ".pl", which is also the file extension of Perl scripts. We get by just fine with that.
Re:New TLDs: Not Bad by comex on Saturday May 13, 2023 @04:20PM (#35932313)
And .sh (shell script or Saint Helena), and .rs (Rust source file or Republic of Serbia). The latter in particular is quite popular for Rust-related websites.
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Re:New TLDs: Not Bad by paulddraper on Saturday May 13, 2023 @05:54PM (#35933165)
Ah yes the infamous Cocos Islands TLD/file extension conflict.
Re:New TLDs: Not Bad by franga2000 on Saturday May 13, 2023 @06:09PM (#35933269)
These, as well as the ones cited in the next comment down, are all file extensions only developers or perhaps power users would know. But .zip is a very mainstream file extension, perhaps one of the most mainstream ones besides the media ones (mp3, mp4, jpg, png, gif) and .exe.
Re:New TLDs: Not Bad by ithkuil on Saturday May 13, 2023 @05:30PM (#35932947)
Fwiw once upon a time .com was the file extension that predates .exe
Re:New TLDs: Not Bad by schwartzworld on Saturday May 13, 2023 @05:34PM (#35932977)
> when it's generally understood that ".com" and ".edu" are domains

.com is also a file extension. It describes an executable format that predates the web.

Re:New TLDs: Not Bad by mcv on Saturday May 13, 2023 @06:10PM (#35933275)
Completely agreed. It might not be an immediate disaster, but it adds cognitive load. And for what benefit exactly? What's the use in having these TLDs?
Re:New TLDs: Not Bad by hammyhavoc on Sunday May 14, 2023 @08:12AM (#35937394)
Why not just prefix it with the appropriate protocol? We managed to differentiate between HTTP, HTTPS and FTP just fine.

Better yet, why not just suffix it with a `/` if you're lazy?