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Re:Show HN: AI SQL Copilot LogicLoop – AI to Generate, Optim... by skilled on Friday May 12, 2023 @01:23PM (#35919165)
This seems like spam. The blog is mostly ChatGPT generated content by authors who have no bio's or profile pictures. The pricing is absolutely out of this world. Particularly if you consider that most of the legwork is done by the OpenAI API anyway.
Re:Show HN: AI SQL Copilot LogicLoop – AI to Generate, Optim... by chatmasta on Friday May 12, 2023 @03:25PM (#35921035)
The submitter is active in the comments and has a long history of submissions related to similar ideas. That seems to indicate to me that this is a real project and an iteration on a premise they've been thinking about for a long time. I do notice even their comments follow a suspiciously GPT-like template with three bullet points. But even if they're using GPT to generate the comments and blog posts, is that really so wrong? Maybe English is their second language and GPT helps them to more effectively communicate their ideas.

I haven't investigated the blog or pricing, but I'm inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt. I don't think this post should be flagged, so I've vouched for it (although I think my vouching powers were nerfed a long time ago, so hopefully someone else will vouch for it too).

EDIT: I actually don't even see the vouch button. Paging @dang

Re:Show HN: AI SQL Copilot LogicLoop – AI to Generate, Optim... by skilled on Friday May 12, 2023 @03:32PM (#35921140)
The submitter has had an account since 2013 with a total of less than 10 submissions, what are you talking about? Are you in on this spam campaign also?
Re:Show HN: AI SQL Copilot LogicLoop – AI to Generate, Optim... by chatmasta on Friday May 12, 2023 @03:34PM (#35921165)
I've had my account since 2012 so feel free to investigate and decide for yourself. I don't know the submitter and have zero affiliation with the product (although my startup does happen to be in a similar space). I'm just sympathetic to someone posting a Show HN and getting flagged based on pure speculation.

Regarding their comment activity: they have comments from earlier this year discussing the same topic (GPT for SQL), and they've previously submitted links to articles and products related to data management.

Re:Show HN: AI SQL Copilot LogicLoop – AI to Generate, Optim... by skilled on Friday May 12, 2023 @03:36PM (#35921200)
Stop writing nonsense please. First he is a reputable submitter with a lot of submissions and now all of a sudden it is about you?

Also FYI - there is no vouch button on HN, which hat did you pull that out of?

Oh, and how convenient that your profile is all about SQL also. Just a happy little coincidence isn't it?

Re:Show HN: AI SQL Copilot LogicLoop – AI to Generate, Optim... by chatmasta on Friday May 12, 2023 @03:39PM (#35921244)
Relax.

> now all of a sudden it is about you?

Am I missing something? You accused me of being affiliated with the person you accused of being a spammer. You made it about me; I'm simply defending myself.

> there is no vouch button on HN, which hat did you pull that out of?

There is a vouch button for flagged comments, and also for some submissions. I can literally see "vouch" links next to [dead] submissions in /new. So I "pulled it out of" my extensive history interacting with the site.

> how convenient that your profile is all about SQL

That shouldn't be surprising to you based on the fact I acknowledged it in my earlier comment.

Re:Show HN: AI SQL Copilot LogicLoop – AI to Generate, Optim... by skilled on Friday May 12, 2023 @03:41PM (#35921271)
But nobody is talking about you. Who asked you to defend yourself?
Re:Show HN: AI SQL Copilot LogicLoop – AI to Generate, Optim... by chatmasta on Friday May 12, 2023 @03:43PM (#35921295)
> Who asked you to defend yourself?

You did, when you accused me of being a shill. (Perhaps the resulting toxicity is precisely the reason why there is a rule against accusing someone of being a shill.)

Re:Show HN: AI SQL Copilot LogicLoop – AI to Generate, Optim... by skilled on Friday May 12, 2023 @03:46PM (#35921347)
> Psychologists use the term “gaslighting” to refer to a specific type of manipulation where the manipulator is trying to get someone else (or a group of people) to question their own reality, memory or perceptions
Re:Show HN: AI SQL Copilot LogicLoop – AI to Generate, Optim... by chatmasta on Friday May 12, 2023 @03:53PM (#35921433)
Dude, go for a walk. You sound unhinged. Why are you quoting the definition of gaslighting to me? You're describing your own comments (you accused me of being "part of this spam campaign," so I defended myself by assuring you I am unaffiliated with the submitter, and then you implied this didn't happen by asking why I was defending myself - in other words, you "gaslighted" me. If you question this reality, I suggest scrolling up and reading your comments, all of which I quoted inline in my replies to them).

btw, here's a link [0] to their documentation page which includes a video of the "co-founder of logicloop," featuring her "name and face" (the absence of which you found so suspicious about the blog posts).

It took me two minutes of clicking to find this page and make the determination the site is probably not "spam." If anything, it's a vaporware landing page intended to validate a product that doesn't fully exist yet. And perhaps it shouldn't be a Show HN since you can't immediately try the product. But I think it's definitely unfair to classify the submission as "spam" based on some indicators that don't even apply to it (you say there is no name and face, but I just linked you to a video with the name and face of the cofounder).

[0] https://docs.logicloop.com/

Re:Show HN: AI SQL Copilot LogicLoop – AI to Generate, Optim... by skilled on Friday May 12, 2023 @03:55PM (#35921454)
I think you need to reread everything I wrote.

Do you think I alone was responsible for this getting flagged? Maybe go check out this website and come back with a clean perspective before trying to argue with me. As you can see, it is getting you nowhere.

Re:Show HN: AI SQL Copilot LogicLoop – AI to Generate, Optim... by chatmasta on Friday May 12, 2023 @03:58PM (#35921495)
> go check out this website

That's what I just did. After clicking for two minutes, I found a video with the author's name and face, which directly contravenes the primary evidence you cited (lack of name and face on blog posts) for the site being spam. The documentation also includes screenshots of the product.

Like I said, I'd be willing to concede it might be a vaporware landing page that is collecting demo leads, and therefore ineligible for a Show HN. But as far as I can tell, the author is a real person and there is at least some work behind the product, as demonstrated by the existence of a website, documentation and explainer videos.

Re:Show HN: AI SQL Copilot LogicLoop – AI to Generate, Optim... by skilled on Friday May 12, 2023 @03:59PM (#35921510)
That's awesome.
Re:Show HN: AI SQL Copilot LogicLoop – AI to Generate, Optim... by dang on Friday May 12, 2023 @04:45PM (#35922146)
Please don't respond to a bad comment by breaking the site guidelines yourself. That only makes things worse.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Show HN: AI SQL Copilot LogicLoop – AI to Generate, Optim... by dang on Friday May 12, 2023 @04:45PM (#35922139)
You broke the site guidelines extremely badly in this thread. You can't attack other users like this on HN. We ban accounts that do.

If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.

p.s. I do appreciate your concern for the quality of HN. but this is not at all the way to advocate for it.

Re:Show HN: AI SQL Copilot LogicLoop – AI to Generate, Optim... by akisej on Monday May 15, 2023 @01:22AM (#35944151)
Appreciate the vouch, @chatmasta! I actually did write those comments myself, and think that the 3-point explanation makes for a clear explanation. My cofounder and I both started our careers as software engineers, and I've been in the data space for over a decade.

A quick Google search for LogicLoop will also show you that we're both featured on Forbes 30 Under 30, and are funded by Tier 1 Silicon Valley VCs. https://www.forbes.com/profile/logicloop/?sh=67ca2b047a89