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Re:Windows 11 in Svelte by movedx on Wednesday May 10, 2023 @11:50PM (#35897173)
The START MENU? TEN YEARS? My friend, how about simple file management? They've been at that for DECADES and still can't get it right?

"Oh, you dragged something over the top of a network drive in Explorer, let me waste the next 3-5 minutes trying to connect to that drive for you". Or how about this: "Oh you plugged in a USB drive that was setup as a live CD? Let me crash for a second and mash your MBR to bits".

How is Windows still mostly garbage at this point?

Re:Windows 11 in Svelte by labster on Thursday May 11, 2023 @12:06AM (#35897298)
I disabled OneDrive syncing on Edge, and the next time Windows refused to boot. I had to reinstall the OS from the recovery partition.

Tracking: it’s mandatory!

Re:Windows 11 in Svelte by NavinF on Thursday May 11, 2023 @12:26AM (#35897485)
Somehow it feels like there's more to this story
Re:Windows 11 in Svelte by labster on Thursday May 11, 2023 @03:06AM (#35898764)
I also tried to install WSL that day, but that’s just a package with no customization. Seems unlikely.
Re:Windows 11 in Svelte by geraldhh on Thursday May 11, 2023 @04:44AM (#35899489)
more likely than browser sync, dont' you think :)
Re:Windows 11 in Svelte by NavinF on Thursday May 11, 2023 @11:49PM (#35911662)
Right. I guess your SSD has zero checksum errors and your RAM passes memtest for a couple of days too.
Re:Windows 11 in Svelte by smt88 on Thursday May 11, 2023 @12:24AM (#35897461)
I've been using Windows for 30 years and haven't encountered either issue you've described.
Re:Windows 11 in Svelte by hsbauauvhabzb on Thursday May 11, 2023 @12:32AM (#35897535)
That kind of attitude leads to user blaming. I have fond memories of the workgroup network scan freezing my computer for extended durations in the xp days
Re:Windows 11 in Svelte by smashed on Thursday May 11, 2023 @01:07AM (#35897805)
Or just download a large file, choose save as on a drive other than the C drive because it is too big, and watch IE proceed to fill up the temp dir on the C drive, completely ignoring the fact you asked to save on another drive.

Or if you had enough space, still waste minutes copying the deleting the file...

Re:Windows 11 in Svelte by racedude on Thursday May 11, 2023 @01:31AM (#35897985)
IE? We're in 2023 dude, don't think that is even usable anymore.
Re:Windows 11 in Svelte by hammyhavoc on Thursday May 11, 2023 @01:40AM (#35898055)
A memory of XP was invoked, hence the comment about other XP anecdata.
Re:Windows 11 in Svelte by geraldhh on Thursday May 11, 2023 @04:48AM (#35899516)
haha! can totally relate

that 'save to temp-dir first and copy later' behavior is so frustrating because it's inconsistently applied and not easily avoided, yet somewhat incomprehensible to the average user.

Re:Windows 11 in Svelte by smt88 on Thursday May 11, 2023 @08:50AM (#35901295)
> in the xp days

Those days ended in 2007. I don't know if that issue persisted after XP because I've never experienced it.

Re:Windows 11 in Svelte by EugeneOZ on Thursday May 11, 2023 @12:58AM (#35897723)
I've been using Windows since 1998 and I can confirm all the issues described. The last time I enjoyed hanging Explorer was yesterday, and it was exactly because Explorer was trying to open a network link that I didn't ask to open.
Re:Windows 11 in Svelte by josefx on Thursday May 11, 2023 @03:14AM (#35898827)
To be fair I have that constantly on Linux. Default applications like ark trying to query every connected drive on every use and just hanging there until they get a response even when all you want to do is open a zip file on a local ssd.
Re:Windows 11 in Svelte by smashed on Thursday May 11, 2023 @01:03AM (#35897772)
I don't use windows daily but was trying to add an additional keyboard layout (US English) to a family member's windows 10 PC today.

Searching for such a simple thing in the control panel was infuriating to say the least. I finally found it, random clicking in every potential places and it was in the most unintuitive place you could think of.

You would expect "keyboard layout" search to bring helpful results but it does not.

Re:Windows 11 in Svelte by geraldhh on Thursday May 11, 2023 @04:41AM (#35899473)
just wait till windows randomly decides to add some other layouts and mess with the switching order
Re:Windows 11 in Svelte by philistine on Thursday May 11, 2023 @09:00AM (#35901405)
WHY DOES IT DO THAT!!!?
Re:Windows 11 in Svelte by ChuckNorris89 on Thursday May 11, 2023 @09:48AM (#35902028)
It doesn't? I'm multilingual and always had 3 keyboard languages in parallel and never had any of those issues happen in 15+ years and 6 versions of Windows.

Most likely he was hitting alt+space by accident which cycles through them without him realizing.

Hot take: I feel like a lot of Windows issues people raise are actually user errors/accidents, then blaming the OS for it.

Re:Windows 11 in Svelte by thfuran on Thursday May 11, 2023 @10:17AM (#35902460)
Systemic user error is a software defect.
Re:Windows 11 in Svelte by ChuckNorris89 on Thursday May 11, 2023 @10:32AM (#35902668)
How the user mashing random keys a SW defect? The SW does what you tell it to do.
Re:Windows 11 in Svelte by dmonitor on Thursday May 11, 2023 @10:40AM (#35902811)
Random mysterious keybinds that nobody asked for
Re:Windows 11 in Svelte by ChuckNorris89 on Thursday May 11, 2023 @10:41AM (#35902836)
Every OS has it's own keybinds. It's not their fault you don't know them.
Re:Windows 11 in Svelte by philistine on Friday May 12, 2023 @09:18PM (#35924484)
I know the keybind to switch languages. I'm ok with it. I'm genuinely asking why Windows is adamant that I must have more keyboard language options than the two very specific ones I want.
Re:Windows 11 in Svelte by thfuran on Thursday May 11, 2023 @03:03PM (#35906794)
If enough people are unaware that they're telling the software to do something and are confused by its behavior, then the software needs to better indicate what it's doing and why.
Re:Windows 11 in Svelte by accoil on Thursday May 11, 2023 @02:15PM (#35906043)
Could be ctrl+shift. It's easy to mistype, and there's no UI feedback. Also used to only change a single window's language (not sure if that's the case anymore, as I use win+space).
Re:Windows 11 in Svelte by mkl on Thursday May 11, 2023 @08:24AM (#35901100)
I seem to get a link to the right settings place after typing "ke" into the start menu on Windows 10. "keyboard layout" indeed does not work, but "keyboard" or part of it does.
Re:Windows 11 in Svelte by Ruq on Thursday May 11, 2023 @01:14AM (#35897857)
I switched to Linux entirely (but may reinstall windows as a second OS for some games if I get the wild hair...), and while it can still be buggy at times here and there (Arch Linux, so go figure), it's usually my fault, and it can be remedied most of the time.

Still a thousand times better of an experience than Windows.

Re:Windows 11 in Svelte by leeoniya on Thursday May 11, 2023 @02:29AM (#35898460)
i threw in the towel as well after debloating the same win10 install for the millionth time.

switched to Arch (EndeavourOS KDE/Plasma) and life is sane again; enjoyable, even!

i do miss Affinity products, tho, which cannot even run in Wine/Proton :(

Re:Windows 11 in Svelte by uxcolumbo on Thursday May 11, 2023 @03:19AM (#35898857)
So what design tools do you use now? Browser based?
Re:Windows 11 in Svelte by leeoniya on Thursday May 11, 2023 @08:55AM (#35901343)
i'm not a designer, but use Krita for very basic edit tasks and Inkscape on occasion. can't use GIMP well because it's GTK2 and the UI doesnt work well for pixel-scaled (HiDPI displays), and GTK3-based GIMP 3 dev builds often fail to compile: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/gimp-devel
Re:Windows 11 in Svelte by stinos on Thursday May 11, 2023 @04:17AM (#35899331)
The funny thing is that I encountered the exact same issues OP complains about (network not available = let's stall forever, insert USB drive = let's crash hard) on various mainstream distros. Especially the first one is super common and on various levels and through various protocols.
Re:Windows 11 in Svelte by movedx on Thursday May 11, 2023 @07:47AM (#35900816)
Me too. Ubuntu 22.04. It's come a long way since I last Linux in... 1999 and 2003! Haha!

Now I'm even considering FreeBSD as I friggin' love that OS. It's rock solid, predictable, and fast. I just need to make sure a few things can be made to work, even if it's via the browser, like Zoom.

Re:Windows 11 in Svelte by kroltan on Thursday May 11, 2023 @09:34AM (#35901793)
I'm curious, what games would you need Windows for?

Between Wine frontends and Steam, I haven't really booted Windows for almost a year now, and I play a healthy balance of modern and ancient games of every production quality.

The only thing I miss is ShareX, which is a screenshot tool that seems to have been designed with me exactly as its sole target audience, because it is incredible, intuitively discoverable and packed with features that Just Work. Yes, Linux also has some screenshot tools, but they are at most 1% of what ShareX is. (And it doesn't work under Wine :(... )

Re:Windows 11 in Svelte by eviks on Thursday May 11, 2023 @01:25AM (#35897933)
What would the forces be that magically turn garbage into a diamond?
Re:Windows 11 in Svelte by geraldhh on Thursday May 11, 2023 @04:49AM (#35899521)
heat and pressure? idk
Re:Windows 11 in Svelte by mcv on Thursday May 11, 2023 @04:58AM (#35899590)
Time and pressure, isn't it? And they've had plenty of time.
Re:Windows 11 in Svelte by zbendefy on Thursday May 11, 2023 @01:47AM (#35898123)
Agreed but if talking about default file managers, its even worse on ubuntu. Nautilus is imo very bad compared to win file manager (hitting a key starts a global search in that folder, it crashes very often etc.). Does anyone know if they plan anything with it?
Re:Windows 11 in Svelte by bombolo on Thursday May 11, 2023 @02:45AM (#35898606)
use dolphin