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Re:‘Mind-boggling’ methane emissions from Turkmenistan revealed by h0l0cube on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @04:40AM (#35871636)
Maybe more carrot than stick makes sense here as law enforcement doesn't really work for an authoritarian state. If there was enough financial incentive to lower emissions and keep them lower, I'm sure the Turkmenistan government would. Unfortunately (according to TFA) they are more allied to Russia and China which take a hands-off approach at best.
Re:‘Mind-boggling’ methane emissions from Turkmenistan revealed by DrScientist on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @05:15AM (#35871801)
I wonder which country has the most emissions?

( China followed by US, and India ).

If you adjust by per capita - then all the energy producing countries are top - but then they are emitting for other people - Turkmenistan isn't producing all that energy for domestic consumption.

Easy to point fingers.

It's the consumers, not the producers per se that are the problem.

Re:‘Mind-boggling’ methane emissions from Turkmenistan revealed by kashunstva on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @05:29AM (#35871877)
> Turkmenistan isn't producing all that energy for domestic consumption > It's the consumers, not the producers per se that are the problem.

Irrespective of which party is the proximate cause of energy extraction in Turkmenistan, the large volume leakage of methane according to the article is not an inevitable byproduct of oil drilling. What’s more, the incremental costs of controlling methane emissions are tiny. And finally, consumers couldn’t go re-light methane flares at the drill sites even if they wanted to.

Re:‘Mind-boggling’ methane emissions from Turkmenistan revealed by red-iron-pine on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @09:51AM (#35874287)
In other words, Turkmen Oil is fucking up and not doing basic methane leak management.

All of the discussions around who is a larger consumer are pointless; the point is that they could be doing more, and at a very small cost to them directly.

Re:‘Mind-boggling’ methane emissions from Turkmenistan revealed by RobotToaster on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @06:01AM (#35872048)
>If you adjust by per capita - then all the energy producing countries are top

If you use consumption based accounting, Luxembourg comes out number 1, apparently. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_di...

Re:‘Mind-boggling’ methane emissions from Turkmenistan revealed by h0l0cube on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @06:11AM (#35872104)
Our World in Data have an interactive map of it

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/consumption-co2-emissions

Re:‘Mind-boggling’ methane emissions from Turkmenistan revealed by parineum on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @05:23AM (#35871833)
> Unfortunately (according to TFA) they are more allied to Russia and China which take a hands-off approach at best.

I get what you're saying here, something like, "we couldn't change it if we tried" but we wouldn't even if we could. We're fighting a proxy war with Russia right now over access to fossil fuel right now. Releasing tons and tons of CO2 for the right to release more CO2 in the future.

Re:‘Mind-boggling’ methane emissions from Turkmenistan revealed by misja111 on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @05:53AM (#35871995)
From a purely Russian-centric point of view, is global warming even a bad thing? Russia has huge stretches of land that are mostly useless for farming because of the cold. Not to mention the Arctic region, which they could traverse by ship if most of the ice would be molten.
Re:‘Mind-boggling’ methane emissions from Turkmenistan revealed by jemmyw on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @06:32AM (#35872262)
As I understand it that land won't become arable.
Re:‘Mind-boggling’ methane emissions from Turkmenistan revealed by h0l0cube on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @06:38AM (#35872312)
What’s your understanding based on?
Re:‘Mind-boggling’ methane emissions from Turkmenistan revealed by jemmyw on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @09:07AM (#35873764)
https://www.climatechangepost.com/russia/agriculture-and-hor...

Sounds complex. There are open questions as to whether those regions that open up for farming would have the soil to support it. And whether reduction in rainfall elsewhere in Russia would cancel out the gains. They have already benefited from current warming.

Re:‘Mind-boggling’ methane emissions from Turkmenistan revealed by foverzar on Wednesday May 10, 2023 @02:51AM (#35884440)
> They have already benefited from current warming.

I assure you, no one had noticed anything substantial.

Re:‘Mind-boggling’ methane emissions from Turkmenistan revealed by h0l0cube on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @06:00AM (#35872038)
I almost mentioned that. Russia are possibly worse than ‘hands off’ when it comes to encouraging global warming

Edit: probably changed to possibly. Downvoted immediately because who knows?

Re:‘Mind-boggling’ methane emissions from Turkmenistan revealed by h0l0cube on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @06:15AM (#35872126)
> I get what you're saying here, something like, "we couldn't change it if we tried"

Not exactly. “We just need to offer a bigger carrot than Russia does”

Re:‘Mind-boggling’ methane emissions from Turkmenistan revealed by foverzar on Wednesday May 10, 2023 @02:55AM (#35884467)
Nope. At first, you gotta fix that genocidal warmongering colonists reputation.

You don't assume that the relationships between the West and the Global South is a clean slate, right?

Re:‘Mind-boggling’ methane emissions from Turkmenistan revealed by h0l0cube on Wednesday May 10, 2023 @11:56PM (#35897223)
I didn't downvote, but I think a financial incentive would outweigh any moral outrage from Turkmenistan's ruling members. Russia is certainly willing to engage in proxy wars as much as western nations. China seems to be building up military power, (still a fraction of the US) but doesn't seem to be so interested in inciting conflict (yet).

I agree that western nations could take a page out of China's book and look to having more of a presence in developing and underdeveloped nations, including financing and building infrastructure, but hopefully without seeking leverage (e.g., Sri Lanka.. though the incompetent government only has themselves to blame).

Re:‘Mind-boggling’ methane emissions from Turkmenistan revealed by foverzar on Thursday May 11, 2023 @12:18AM (#35897394)
Specifically Turkmenistan - sure, extremely likely. Turkmenistan is actually relatively west-friendly.