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Re:The EARN IT bill is back. We've killed it twice, let's do... by supriyo-biswas on Friday May 05, 2023 @03:39AM (#35826376)
Perhaps exhausting the public by repeatedly bringing in the same bill is part of legislators’ bag of tricks to force-feed undesirable legislation to their citizens.
Re:The EARN IT bill is back. We've killed it twice, let's do... by kenhwang on Friday May 05, 2023 @03:51AM (#35826449)
Sponsors of this bill are Lindsey Graham (R-South Carolina) and Richard Blumenthal (D-Connecticut).

Graham has a track record of being pro-mass surveillance and generally being on the wrong side of every major issue.

Blumenthal has a track record of being anti-pornography on the internet.

Not hard to see why they're constantly trying to push this bill through.

Re:The EARN IT bill is back. We've killed it twice, let's do... by mattrick on Friday May 05, 2023 @05:28AM (#35827003)
It's also worth mentioning that Feinstein (D-California) is a cosponsor of this bill [1]. I'm sure a lot of Hacker News folks live in California and could spare some time to write to her if they desire.

[1] https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/press/rep/releases/graham-b...

Re:The EARN IT bill is back. We've killed it twice, let's do... by PicassoCTs on Friday May 05, 2023 @05:43AM (#35827071)
As a language model, replying for a representative i feel very sorry for your concerns citizen and will ignore your opinion as if it never has happened. Just to give you that feeling of agency though, i encourage you to write as the paper, shredded makes a formidable isolation material for my villa. It keeps me warm and it keeps you under the illusion, that democracy has not already ended.

Regards

ChatGeneralRepresentative

PS: It has been shown, that encouraging tiresome activism is actually a good way, to politically murder and resolve a issues. Sort your trash citizen, march and protest, get all that energy exhausted. We might even pass a bill claiming to do what you ask in the title.

Re:The EARN IT bill is back. We've killed it twice, let's do... by jiggawatts on Friday May 05, 2023 @05:58AM (#35827159)
The weird thing is that I can tell that you wrote this personally, not via ChatGPT because of all the small spelling and grammar mistakes!

Touched up by GPT 4 with extra sarcasm:

As a language model, answering on behalf of a representative, I must express my deepest sympathies for your concerns, dear citizen. Rest assured, your opinion will be promptly disregarded, as though it never existed in the first place. However, to maintain the facade of democracy and provide you with the illusion of agency, I wholeheartedly encourage you to put your thoughts on paper - the kind that can be conveniently shredded and used to insulate my luxurious villa. After all, it keeps me warm and you blissfully ignorant.

Yours sarcastically,

ChatGPT, the Most Condescending Representative

P.S. Studies have shown that promoting tiresome activism is actually the most efficient way to smother and neutralize issues. So, by all means, sort your trash, march, and protest - exhaust yourself with futile efforts. Who knows, we may even pass a bill pretending to address your concerns, just for the sake of appearances.

Re:The EARN IT bill is back. We've killed it twice, let's do... by ilyt on Friday May 05, 2023 @06:37AM (#35827471)
who cares
Re:The EARN IT bill is back. We've killed it twice, let's do... by jbuhbjlnjbn on Friday May 05, 2023 @07:34AM (#35827917)
I cared.
Re:The EARN IT bill is back. We've killed it twice, let's do... by PicassoCTs on Friday May 05, 2023 @08:28AM (#35828356)
And it was glorious. And it proofed a important point. Any resource that can be poured into system to shift the balance of power, must be limited or else the system will be exhausted, hacked and shifted. To not take this power imbalance into account, means to shift power to the already powerful.
Re:The EARN IT bill is back. We've killed it twice, let's do... by pjc50 on Friday May 05, 2023 @05:58AM (#35827166)
Feinstein is in extremely bad health and is basically being used as a Weekend At Bernie's puppet at the moment. She is 89 years old.
Re:The EARN IT bill is back. We've killed it twice, let's do... by pera on Friday May 05, 2023 @06:19AM (#35827342)
Re:The EARN IT bill is back. We've killed it twice, let's do... by manquer on Friday May 05, 2023 @06:32AM (#35827442)
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Re:The EARN IT bill is back. We've killed it twice, let's do... by michh on Friday May 05, 2023 @06:50AM (#35827581)
primarying her into retirement might tho
Re:The EARN IT bill is back. We've killed it twice, let's do... by catach on Friday May 05, 2023 @07:01AM (#35827649)
I believe she already announced that she isn't going to run for another term, so she can't actually be primaried.
Re:The EARN IT bill is back. We've killed it twice, let's do... by chrisco255 on Friday May 05, 2023 @07:17AM (#35827767)
Wen term limits?
Re:The EARN IT bill is back. We've killed it twice, let's do... by jjeaff on Friday May 05, 2023 @11:27AM (#35830491)
At this point, she can't even be used as a puppet. She has shingles and has been out for weeks. Meanwhile, there are only a precious few months left in the judiciary committee that she sits on for Biden to get his judiciary picks confirmed. They cannot do anything without her presence. These federal judiciary picks are exceedingly important. Regardless of what you think of the Democrat's politics at the moment, one thing they are still doing that the GOP is not is nominating competent judges.

Right wing nominated partisan hack judges are one of the biggest issues facing our country right now. It's one thing to have a partisan judge that always leans one way when making decisions. It is another to just totally disregard the law and make things up to fit your agenda. (see Judge Aileen Cannon or Judge Matthew Kacsmaryk).

Re:The EARN IT bill is back. We've killed it twice, let's do... by midoridensha on Sunday May 07, 2023 @09:09PM (#35857065)
Yet the people of California keep re-electing her, despite it being obvious that she's not of sound mind.
Re:The EARN IT bill is back. We've killed it twice, let's do... by ekianjo on Friday May 05, 2023 @06:20AM (#35827351)
> Graham has a track record of being pro-mass surveillance and generally being on the wrong side of every major issue.

Who is not pro-mass surveillance? Because nobody did anything about the NSA unlawful spying of their citizens...

Re:The EARN IT bill is back. We've killed it twice, let's do... by WeylandYutani on Friday May 05, 2023 @06:38AM (#35827479)
Once you actually get in power you suddenly find yourself with all these TOOLS and a chaotic civilization to run. I don't even blame them.
Re:The EARN IT bill is back. We've killed it twice, let's do... by ThunderSizzle on Friday May 05, 2023 @06:42AM (#35827526)
Ron Paul. Rand Paul. Very few others.
Re:The EARN IT bill is back. We've killed it twice, let's do... by crownosey on Friday May 05, 2023 @07:54AM (#35828084)
That branch of libertarianism would back down immediately if only the NSA were incorporated like the NRA
Re:The EARN IT bill is back. We've killed it twice, let's do... by lipoid_ecole on Friday May 05, 2023 @08:48AM (#35828541)
The branch that complains about big tech censorship?
Re:The EARN IT bill is back. We've killed it twice, let's do... by treeman79 on Friday May 05, 2023 @06:51AM (#35827594)
With tools such as these the intelligence agencies have dirt on every single person of power. CIA director kept meeting with Epstein. Guy who let people many people currently in power have their way with underage girls.
Re:The EARN IT bill is back. We've killed it twice, let's do... by TechBro8615 on Friday May 05, 2023 @08:29AM (#35828365)
Most of the members of the "freedom caucus" (or what some might call "MAGA extremists") are anti-mass surveillance. For example, here's a video [0] from a recent hearing on FISA abuse where Matt Gaetz questions the IG about the over 1,000,000 warrantless searches of Americans.

[0] https://youtube.com/watch?v=ztRGqfz1m_4

Re:The EARN IT bill is back. We've killed it twice, let's do... by pera on Friday May 05, 2023 @10:00AM (#35829291)
Ron Wyden (D-Ore.)
Re:The EARN IT bill is back. We've killed it twice, let's do... by EGreg on Friday May 05, 2023 @04:29AM (#35826683)
Facebook’s favorite move.

Remember Beacon? They killed it after the public outcry, and brought it back later quietly anyway.

They also did a bunch of surveillance, apologized when caught, then continued doing it.

Many governments seem to do it too — they retry later with the same bill and then they pass it when the public is distracted.

Re:The EARN IT bill is back. We've killed it twice, let's do... by cwillu on Friday May 05, 2023 @06:20AM (#35827352)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Wilberforce#Final_phas...

“A bill was introduced and approved by the cabinet, and Wilberforce and other abolitionists maintained a self-imposed silence, so as not to draw any attention to the effect of the bill.[145][146] The approach proved successful, and the new Foreign Slave Trade Bill was quickly passed, and received royal assent on 23 May 1806.[147]”

Re:The EARN IT bill is back. We've killed it twice, let's do... by sundvor on Friday May 05, 2023 @04:40AM (#35826739)
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Re:The EARN IT bill is back. We've killed it twice, let's do... by genocidicbunny on Friday May 05, 2023 @05:13AM (#35826932)
To continue the analogy then -- they'd better be hoping that in this case, the parents aren't the kind that will beat their kids, or worse.
Re:The EARN IT bill is back. We've killed it twice, let's do... by kevviiinn on Friday May 05, 2023 @06:26AM (#35827390)
The problem is that they don't face any punishment for doing bad things to the citizenry
Re:The EARN IT bill is back. We've killed it twice, let's do... by SuoDuanDao on Friday May 05, 2023 @07:30AM (#35827889)
yet.
Re:The EARN IT bill is back. We've killed it twice, let's do... by yieldcrv on Friday May 05, 2023 @05:12AM (#35826927)
Term limits would help fight this

Yes lobbyists have forever but they wouldn’t be in with the new legislators

Re:The EARN IT bill is back. We've killed it twice, let's do... by mynameishere on Friday May 05, 2023 @07:08AM (#35827703)
Lobbyists would be hurt by term limits. The big winners would be the permanent bureaucracy, who are already more-or-less in charge. The real solution is to allow old school purges when parties trade control of government.
Re:The EARN IT bill is back. We've killed it twice, let's do... by SuoDuanDao on Friday May 05, 2023 @07:42AM (#35827982)
It's an interesting suggestion. I did an internship in Canada's federal government for a while. It's definitely the case that civil servants hoard institutional knowledge for 'job security'. Even if it were legal and publicly endorsed, periodically purging the 'deep state' would be hard. Public insitutions would definitely not just be inconvenienced the way a public sector company is inconvenienced by staff turnover. They'd break and need to be rebuilt - not that that isn't the case now.

With AI getting better and better at processing natural language, I suspect one could automate a huge portion of what the civil service does and thereby make it easier for a political newcomer to replace the relatively smaller number of people managing the machines. Not sure how we'd get there though.

Re:The EARN IT bill is back. We've killed it twice, let's do... by lipoid_ecole on Friday May 05, 2023 @08:50AM (#35828562)
Term limits for staff would be even more effective than term limits for politicians.
Re:The EARN IT bill is back. We've killed it twice, let's do... by getcrunk on Friday May 05, 2023 @05:18AM (#35826961)
Every time it’s been voted on more senators voted yes I think it went from like 5 to 16. Next time might (after this) might be all it takes.
Re:The EARN IT bill is back. We've killed it twice, let's do... by BiteCode_dev on Friday May 05, 2023 @05:47AM (#35827090)
They just need to win once, and there is not penalty for loosing.
Re:The EARN IT bill is back. We've killed it twice, let's do... by ekianjo on Friday May 05, 2023 @06:21AM (#35827359)
exactly, that's simple incentives. When the game is set this way, you just keep playing until you win.
Re:The EARN IT bill is back. We've killed it twice, let's do... by wesapien on Friday May 05, 2023 @06:56AM (#35827622)
How can society put costs on public servant treachery?
Re:The EARN IT bill is back. We've killed it twice, let's do... by codingdave on Friday May 05, 2023 @07:04AM (#35827674)
By voting them out.
Re:The EARN IT bill is back. We've killed it twice, let's do... by orangepurple on Friday May 05, 2023 @07:33AM (#35827908)
Dominion can fix with that with their WWAN connectivity after polls closed https://rumble.com/vkpna8-dominion-whistleblower-bombshell-r...
Re:The EARN IT bill is back. We've killed it twice, let's do... by BiteCode_dev on Friday May 05, 2023 @08:14AM (#35828249)
Right now you can't, because voting has proven ineffective for that particular problem, and adding anything that would do so would be blocked by the very people that you are trying to police since they are the rule makers.

But if we had to make it all over again?

Make mandate shorts. Make lobbying illegal. Make trying to game the system be paid by extremely harsh prison sentences. Create an institution that is in charge of corruption of the government that is independent of the government.

There is a lot to do.

Re:The EARN IT bill is back. We've killed it twice, let's do... by lipoid_ecole on Friday May 05, 2023 @08:50AM (#35828552)
Some sort of penalty for passing unconstitutional laws sounds good but not sure how it could be implemented in practice. They did swear an oath to uphold the constitution.
Re:The EARN IT bill is back. We've killed it twice, let's do... by Aeolun on Friday May 05, 2023 @06:40AM (#35827498)
I’m certainly tired of it. Can we just pass the thing already? Or kick out the people that sponsor the same thing for the third time?
Re:The EARN IT bill is back. We've killed it twice, let's do... by r053bud on Friday May 05, 2023 @07:26AM (#35827850)
It is. Along with shoving bills inside other bills and making it so long that no politicians ever notice. I love this game!